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Phooey
6,102 posts
38 months
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iandews said: Zyp said: As an aside - I couldn't imagine having a Spyder even as a second car let alone an only car. As a 3rd or 4th - great.  Come on, substantiate that claim for me, interested to know your opinion? Yeah, it'd have to be a 2nd / 3rd vehicle for me too. In fact, it would just be a sun-out only car if i ever have the pleasure of owning one again. I don't find the bucket seats comfy. Roof i tended to leave on, not that it was hard to operate, but purely from a lazy perspective. Security isn't great (roof). Think of it as a luxury Caterham and you won't be disappointed  Seeing J-P's new mota has got me window-shopping in the classifieds at CR's. Spyder still looks more special imo and will hold residuals better - again imo, but a CR with 'Sports' seats, PDK, ceramics, Perd (?) green....
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Phooey
6,102 posts
38 months
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cmoose said: I find A/C unnecessary in the UK on any car. Doesn't mean it's not useful or nice to have. But the days / times when you really need it due to heat are so very few, it's almost fun to just enjoy it for once. Never had a problem demisting cars without aircon, always find this an odd claim. I tend to agree. I don't use it, and I've got 3 of them. Q.You know what the best thing air-con is for? A.Residuals
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Zyp
5,703 posts
58 months
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iandews said: Come on, substantiate that claim for me, interested to know your opinion? Well, I think Phooeys answered for me above. I'm sure many out there are used daily, and I use mine fairly often, but that bloody roof really is beginning to grate on me. Don't get me wrong- its easy to take off and put on but the noise with it on is terrible over 50 mph. I have 3 other vehicles to choose from, and 10 months into Spyder ownership I find I'm taking one of the other three more often. I know Khrusty uses his daily and he's a girl, so it can be done...
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Rockster
652 posts
29 months
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iandews said: Having nearly got the all clear on my health, I'll soon be in the position to once again consider my purchase of a Spyder (if I don't go for a CR); however, the one I had in mind doesn't have air-con, but the rest of the spec and car is spot on.
Could you live without air-con or is it an absolute must, even if just for stopping the car from misting up? I notice that those without air-con seem to take an age to sell which is a bit of concern when it comes to trading in in a year or two's time!
The car wouldn't be tracked so the weight saving isn't a must. A local dealer has (had I checked its inventory and the car doesn't show up) a very nice (new so it should be nice) white Cayman R without AC. The 'buyer' wanted a 'track' car and ordered the car sans AC, and no PCCBs. I do not recall the transmission. Anyhow the 'buyer' changed his mind. I was 'offered' the car but as much as I would have liked to get back in a Cayman with no A/C is a no sale as far as I'm concerned. I reflect back on what I learned (relearned) after years of having an A/C car when I bought my Boxster in 02. There were just 2 weeks in the spring or fall when I could drive around with the top down and without needing the A/C or heater. At all other times the A/C was needed to avoid dying of heat exhaustion or being unable see out of the car due to fogged up glass. Sincerely, Rockster.
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DS240
1,407 posts
87 months
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I took the a/c option.
Just a bit of extra comfort. Plus, had it where the day is hot, but raining, so roof on. Was pleased to have a/c to keep things cool.
Or just nice having really cold air blowing when it is hot (stuck in traffic on hot day).
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DiscoColin
2,222 posts
83 months
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If there is a contemporary Porsche that can survive the market without aircon then the Boxster Spyder is it, however it will always need to be priced below the market to move. If the cost of acquisition reflects that then go for it. As for living without it - you probably already have another car if you are looking at a Spyder...?
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iandews
Original Poster
748 posts
40 months
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DiscoColin][.. said: you probably already have another car if you are looking at a Spyder...? Yep, would be a second car though have to live outside which is why my plans are unfortunately turning away from it and back to the Cayman R; I think that might be a better choice for me long term.
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m33ufo
1,558 posts
100 months
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DiscoColin said: If there is a contemporary Porsche that can survive the market without aircon then the Boxster Spyder is it, however it will always need to be priced below the market to move. If the cost of acquisition reflects that then go for it. As for living without it - you probably already have another car if you are looking at a Spyder...? Couldn't disagree more. The Spyder isn't about aircon. It's about being a lighweight, fine handling, topless sports car. If you need aircon in a Spyder then maybe it's not the car for you (just IMHO)? For me it's not a daily driver, it's a "special" car and I use it when the conditions are appropriate to make the most of it and 99 times out of 100 it's not raining so I have the hood off. You can't air condition the World! Personally I wouldn't have bought one with aircon!
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m33ufo
1,558 posts
100 months
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Rockster said: I was 'offered' the car but as much as I would have liked to get back in a Cayman with no A/C is a no sale as far as I'm concerned.
Rockster. Totally agree. Why would you buy a coupe without aircon? Spyder however is a totally different proposition.
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kazino
1,361 posts
87 months
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Just got an elise and the a/c had packed up, now that it's been fixed I feel that while it is not essential I would much rather have it instead of the weight saving I would gain from having chucked it out.
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DiscoColin
2,222 posts
83 months
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m33ufo said: Couldn't disagree more. The Spyder isn't about aircon. It's about being a lighweight, fine handling, topless sports car. If you need aircon in a Spyder then maybe it's not the car for you (just IMHO)? For me it's not a daily driver, it's a "special" car and I use it when the conditions are appropriate to make the most of it and 99 times out of 100 it's not raining so I have the hood off. You can't air condition the World!
Personally I wouldn't have bought one with aircon! My point was not about whether the car needs aircon (I agree - it doesn't IMHO either - and if I had one the hood would only go on for rain too) but more that it will still almost certainly be worth less in the used market without it. I have not heard a lot of stories about people paying a premium for a car which lacked something or choosing the lower spec option when all other factors were equal... The case for aircon IMHO is actually more about it making the demistor more effective on a rainy day with the comedy roof on. It is a weak argument and the lack of air will not cripple its residual like it does to GT3s. But I still think it will be worth less/slightly harder to sell on.
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