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ChipsAndCheese

1,249 posts

33 months

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mollytherocker said:
Just had a look at the 'Employment Types' and dont qualify for any. Wife is closest as a Solicitors secretary. frown

MTR
You'd probably get away with it if your wife took along a pay cheque from the solicitors firm that she works for as proof. Doubt they would ask for a qualification certificate. Might be worth a try!

tr7v8

4,006 posts

97 months

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I want to & will supply my own oil because in an older Boxster I want a heavier grade than there one size suits all solution. Not a great fan of Mobil 1 either TBH.

mollytherocker

6,895 posts

78 months

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tr7v8 said:
I want to & will supply my own oil because in an older Boxster I want a heavier grade than there one size suits all solution. Not a great fan of Mobil 1 either TBH.
So they are happy to use a any type or grade of oil?

MTR

tr7v8

4,006 posts

97 months

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mollytherocker said:
tr7v8 said:
I want to & will supply my own oil because in an older Boxster I want a heavier grade than there one size suits all solution. Not a great fan of Mobil 1 either TBH.
So they are happy to use a any type or grade of oil?

MTR
They can't refuse if it meets Porsche specs.

Pickled Piper

5,161 posts

104 months

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ashway said:
Newcastle no longer allow you to supply your own oil but when I suggested i would take my business elsewhere they matched the Costco price.
This is the way to do it - unless you enjoy shopping at Costco and carting oil around.

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sajafzal

237 posts

22 months

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GT03ROB said:
These threads crop up fairly often. I do understand where people are coming from, but it's really a bit like going to a restaurant for a meal, then saying the wine is too heavily maked up, I'll bring my own supermarket bought bottle.
Exactly my thoughts, well said

Saj


c4srmsims

236 posts

74 months

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sajafzal said:
GT03ROB said:
These threads crop up fairly often. I do understand where people are coming from, but it's really a bit like going to a restaurant for a meal, then saying the wine is too heavily maked up, I'll bring my own supermarket bought bottle.
Exactly my thoughts, well said

Saj
Please let me know when you come to my restaurant and I'll re-adjust the prices in line with your expectations.

ChipsAndCheese

1,249 posts

33 months

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sajafzal said:
GT03ROB said:
These threads crop up fairly often. I do understand where people are coming from, but it's really a bit like going to a restaurant for a meal, then saying the wine is too heavily maked up, I'll bring my own supermarket bought bottle.
Exactly my thoughts, well said
Saj
Really? It's not actually a like for like comparison though is it, given that negotiations on price and things like supplying your own oil are normal occurrences in the motor trade. Unless you never even negotiate on any prices with Porsche at all, you can't really compare - that is assuming you don't negotiate with the restaurant over what you are going to pay for your dinner before you order.

The oil in this case is the exact same product, not a supermarket alternative, and there is certainly no 'corkage' to pay on supplying your own oil. Anyway, I'm all in favour of restaurants that allow a BYO option! Nothing wrong with it IMO - found it quite common over in Australia and it was brilliant.

Some people are happy to pay Porsche's often ridiculously high prices, and they are welcome to do so, but frankly they are being had. Others, like me, want the Porsche stamps and have warranties to adhere to, but don't like giving money away unnecessarily knowing full well that there are other people having the same work done at the same place, for a lot less. It usually takes very little effort to get a substantial discount from an OPC, which to me, shows that they always quote high in the hope that they can mug you for a little bit more than they should - a bit of commission for the service assistant I bet.

With restaurants, it's not the done thing to negotiate. But you have more choice as to where you can eat, and which places suit the amount you want to spend. Unlike the Porsche warranty scheme, Bupa/The NHS isn't likely to refuse you an operation because you ate at a 'McDonalds' instead of at 'The Fat Duck'.

Edited by ChipsAndCheese on Friday 22 June 14:53

sajafzal

237 posts

22 months

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c4srmsims said:
Please let me know when you come to my restaurant and I'll re-adjust the prices in line with your expectations.
No need, I expect to pay what you ask, as you are running a business, if you charge too much I will not come back, simples

Saj

c4srmsims

236 posts

74 months

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sajafzal said:
No need, I expect to pay what you ask, as you are running a business, if you charge too much I will not come back, simples

Saj
One visit will be enough.

edc

3,938 posts

120 months

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sajafzal said:
No need, I expect to pay what you ask, as you are running a business, if you charge too much I will not come back, simples

Saj
Did you get a discount on the Cayenne you bought? Or did you try and get something as part of the deal - stereo upgrade, nicer mats, full tank or maybe a scotch guard treatment or similar?

sajafzal

237 posts

22 months

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[quote=ChipsAndCheese]

Really? It's not actually a like for like comparison though is it, given that negotiations on price and things like supplying your own oil are normal occurrences in the motor trade. Unless you

"Normal" I have owned and run numerous cars over the years, and its only here I have read of this. "negotiations" precisely if you must negotiate not take your own oil that to me is not the correct thing to do and I am surprised Porsche allow this.

Some people are happy to pay Porsche's often ridiculously high prices. If they are ridiculous do not take your car there.

Sorry not being aggressive just typing my thoughts

Saj

sajafzal

237 posts

22 months

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edc said:
Did you get a discount on the Cayenne you bought? Or did you try and get something as part of the deal - stereo upgrade, nicer mats, full tank or maybe a scotch guard treatment or similar?
No

Actus Reus

1,446 posts

24 months

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How about negotiating on them until they're something you can live with? That's what I did, and I'm glad I did - I got excellent service, so far as I can tell good workmanship AND I got the important OPC stamp. I can't believe anybody thinks this is somehow rude or unprofessional.

I accept that in, say, a restaurant, or a supermarket, you can't negotiate, but in many other places, particularly smaller businesses, you can - and so I do. I got £200 off my watch - should I have paid more?

ChipsAndCheese

1,249 posts

33 months

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sajafzal said:
"Normal" I have owned and run numerous cars over the years, and its only here I have read of this. "negotiations" precisely if you must negotiate not take your own oil that to me is not the correct thing to do and I am surprised Porsche allow this.
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If they are ridiculous do not take your car there.

Sorry not being aggressive just typing my thoughts

Saj
Hey, no worries, I don't read that as coming across aggressive at all.

It may not seem normal practice to some, but I have always seen negotiating with garages as normal. Even programmes on TV (like the one with that Dom bloke) encourage this, knowing full well that there is flexibility in the pricing structure. I never realised how much you could negotiate until I got the Porsche and started reading on here, but I usually used to push for some movement on price. At the end of the day, they want your business. If they are not willing to negotiate, they can say no and I have the choice to take their initial price or go elsewhere. But, the fact that they are always willing to budge on price shows that this is normal and probably expected.

Likewise with the oil, they can say no, but usually don't. There are OPCs who have said no (Silverstone), but I'll just use one that says yes instead. It makes no difference to them, and they will get the extra business that the other one missed out on. Win for them, win for me, loss for the OPC that said no.

The initial prices that Porsche quote are nearly always ridiculous IMO when compared to specialist prices and even quotes from some other OPCs. I still take my car there because I want (and need for the warranty) the Porsche stamp in the book, and because more often than not, I am able to negotiate to the point where I feel the price is fair.


Edited by ChipsAndCheese on Friday 22 June 15:28

sajafzal

237 posts

22 months

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Actus Reus said:
How about negotiating on them until they're something you can live with? That's what I did, and I'm glad I did - I got excellent service, so far as I can tell good workmanship AND I got the important OPC stamp. I can't believe anybody thinks this is somehow rude or unprofessional.

I accept that in, say, a restaurant, or a supermarket, you can't negotiate, but in many other places, particularly smaller businesses, you can - and so I do. I got £200 off my watch - should I have paid more?
Precisely "Negotiate" if there is room you are all happy.

Saj

Actus Reus

1,446 posts

24 months

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Isn't supplying your own oil sort of negotiation?

Either way - I did it, and I'd advise anybody else to do the same, but each to their own I guess!

Popolou

932 posts

76 months

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ChipsAndCheese said:
Yes they accept membership if you work in a particular employment area. I get my membership because I work in Education.

From their website:
Costco.co.uk said:
You qualify for Individual membership if you belong to or are retired from specific employment groups.

Qualified as:
Chartered Architect, Optician, Pharmacist, Chartered Surveyor, Qualified Accountant, Solicitor/Barrister, Dentist, Magistrate/Advocate, Chartered/Civil Engineer

Current or retired employee of:
Banking/Finance, Civil Servant, Education, Fire/Rescue, Insurance, Local Government, Airline, Post Office, Police Force, Medical/Health Service
The only time i have ever seen my line of work mentionned and recognised! woohoo

mohitos said:
They'll accept pretty much anyone....
Bugger

edc

3,938 posts

120 months

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sajafzal said:
No
Fair enough. So you must have been happy with the overall value of the deal. Some people aren't. I don't see anything wrong with pointing out that you can buy the oil for cheaper. That is the opening of a negotiation. In my case the OPC didn't want to discuss the price of their oil but were happy to adjust the price factoring them taking their oil cost out.

cmoose

18,596 posts

98 months

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sajafzal said:
GT03ROB said:
These threads crop up fairly often. I do understand where people are coming from, but it's really a bit like going to a restaurant for a meal, then saying the wine is too heavily maked up, I'll bring my own supermarket bought bottle.
Exactly my thoughts, well said

Saj
Kind of. Except you're not actually sitting down and enjoying the ambience.

OPCs have opportunities to charge as they want for labour and official parts. Massive mark ups on generic goods like oil are just insulting, in my view.

I fully appreciate they have expensive premises and overheads to support. But that's precisely why I wouldn't use one unless I had a car in the extended warranty scheme and it was compulsory. Why would you want to support expensive premises that benefit you almost nothing? I would expect a good indy to be better at looking after the car, too. There's so much more incentive for indies to do a good job. And with anything that's even slightly older, they probably have more recent experience.

Edited by cmoose on Friday 22 June 17:50

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