930 911 Turbo. Is it really that hairy?

930 911 Turbo. Is it really that hairy?

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graemel

7,017 posts

216 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Alternatively a 3.2 Carrera Super Sport. Looks of the turbo but with a mormally aspirated engine.

Edited by graemel on Monday 6th August 20:40

lindsayhbrown

173 posts

200 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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I test drove a couple of 930s, one 4 speed and one 5 speed before I bought my SSE, in the 4 speed (which was standard) it was nothing, nothing, nothing until 3-3.5k revs and then all hell broke loose, but only for 1st and 2nd gears, then it was all above the legal limit. The 5 speed had an uprated turbo and boost spring, this seemed more civilised for some strange reason with less lag, and you could use 3rd gear on boost ... only just !!! The SSE seems quicker at lower revs but obviously lacks the buzz of the boost at the higher revs

Lax Power

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204 posts

254 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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graemel said:
Alternatively a 3.2 Carrera Super Sport. Looks of the turbo but with a mormally aspirated engine.

Edited by graemel on Monday 6th August 20:40
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?

Crimp a Length!

5,697 posts

222 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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lindsayhbrown said:
I test drove a couple of 930s, one 4 speed and one 5 speed before I bought my SSE, in the 4 speed (which was standard) it was nothing, nothing, nothing until 3-3.5k revs and then all hell broke loose, but only for 1st and 2nd gears, then it was all above the legal limit. The 5 speed had an uprated turbo and boost spring, this seemed more civilised for some strange reason with less lag, and you could use 3rd gear on boost ... only just !!! The SSE seems quicker at lower revs but obviously lacks the buzz of the boost at the higher revs
Some of thats true.
I love SSE's as you'll probably know it's the only variant i've owned twice.
But there was a big difference in performance in the SSE and the 5 speed 930 i recently owned, and the latter was certainly not that quick.
That said due to the delivery etc the SSE would have kept up on the twisties, and was more enjoying IMO
What i have to say though is my SC i owned yrs ago would have probably kept up with both!!
The GT2 would obviously eat for breakfast on tick over, so when you talking about the 930 been hairy, trust me its on a different planet to the modern stuff.


Crimp a Length!

5,697 posts

222 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Lax Power said:
graemel said:
Alternatively a 3.2 Carrera Super Sport. Looks of the turbo but with a mormally aspirated engine.

Edited by graemel on Monday 6th August 20:40
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?
I've owned both mate both very low mile nearly concours cars in fact showed them both.
Do I regret selling?
Short answer no....
Would i own one again?
Probably and if i had the space ideally it would compliment the proper "widow maker"

You need to drive one before taking the plunge.
I swapped a 996tt for the 930 which was a shrewd move financially, but i remember driving the 930 home and thinking WTF have i done!!...............12 months or so later when i sold it i thought spot on good move kid better than money in the bank!


uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Crimp a Length! said:
Some of thats true.
I love SSE's as you'll probably know it's the only variant i've owned twice.
But there was a big difference in performance in the SSE and the 5 speed 930 i recently owned, and the latter was certainly not that quick.
That said due to the delivery etc the SSE would have kept up on the twisties, and was more enjoying IMO
What i have to say though is my SC i owned yrs ago would have probably kept up with both!!
The GT2 would obviously eat for breakfast on tick over, so when you talking about the 930 been hairy, trust me its on a different planet to the modern stuff.
A lot of truth there too, but on tight B-roads you tend to reach a speed limit that's well below the limit of almost ANY car's handling. For example on my favourite stretch of home B-road my SC is about as fast as my 996 or Volvo estate! Okay the Volvo is scraping its door mirrors while the 996 is in cruise mode, but the road and what you can see ahead forms the real limit, not the car's performance envelope. So it's all a load of bks really, you can pretty much keep up with anything in anything else on a B-road. Case in point I went on a club drive a few years ago in my 2.4S and easily kept up with a 997 simply because the roads were narrow and tight. In fact he was struggling to keep up in the 997 because of the extra width.

JBL930

1,837 posts

215 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Don't be put off, with some basic mods they are great cars.... I'd look for one that has had some work done already to save you time and effort. Exhaust and turbo change is a must, cams and intercooler etc etc then even better. Ideally one that has had a top end rebuild, fresh suspension and generally been loved.....
Just be careful what you buy, get the wrong car and it'll cost you a fortune putting it right!! Get the right car to start with and you'll have a lot of fun......

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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love the 930 as a piece of art but its woefully inadequate as a package to drive - think this is why people buy them in a perverse way. Most people wolds be quicker in a fiesta a-b but thats not the point

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Lax Power said:
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses.
It's an icon of the 80s and was always destined to be a collectors piece. The same could be said for the Lambo Countach or Ferrari Testarossa and they drive like st too.

RVVUNM

1,913 posts

208 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Lax Power said:
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?
I have a 1989 5 speed and I love every bit of it. I have had it for seven years and previous to that two 3.2's. Yes its a challenge, but every trip gives you the feeling that you have been a part of it, not a passenger. Take time out to learn "slow in, fast out" on a corner and relish in the sheer speed you feel being fired out, amazing, or the way it pulls uphill.
I bought mine as a realizasion of a childhood dream and didn't care what it felt like I just had to have one.

fredt

847 posts

146 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Lax Power said:
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?
The reason people love them is because they were pretty much the benchmark back in the day, not because of their awesome perfomance compared to modern machinery.

Nah, driving around in a SSE sounds like a ridiculous proposal (to me). Not that i care much what other people thinks about what i drive, but its still a replica of the real thing, and that's not for me. If you want 3.2, buy a 3.2.

IMO they are not half as bad as people here suggests, but a little intimidating before you get a feel for it. I think with turbo's it might be particularly important to find a good one, as im sure a poor 930 could be a terrible experience

If the determining factor is how quick you can go on b roads at legal speeds, you could buy a 1989 opel kadett 1.6 auto. it's as fast as anything out there.

basically you need to figure out what YOU want and buy it!



uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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fredt said:
I think with turbo's it might be particularly important to find a good one, as im sure a poor 930 could be a terrible experience
That applies to any 20+ year old 911, not just the Turbo! A poor condition 3.2 would be equally st to drive

fredt

847 posts

146 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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uktrailmonster said:
That applies to any 20+ year old 911, not just the Turbo! A poor condition 3.2 would be equally st to drive
good point smile

SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Each to there own, for me the only one I wanted.
As I say EVERY MILE IS A SMILE
They are a Porsche that looks good, from all angles for me.
The funny thing is, over the last five years values had gone up.
They are a very small market, for a seller and a buyer that is for sure.
They have to have money spent on the upkeep, that is the weak point about them.
Many owners do not look after them, use them then sell them on and then so many poor 930's turn up for sale.
People still want mega bucks for one that, needs loads of money spent on it right away by a new owner.
If you want one try find a good one that is a battle itself?

Lax Power said:
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?

Crimp a Length!

5,697 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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SEE YA said:
Each to there own, for me the only one I wanted.
As I say EVERY MILE IS A SMILE
They are a Porsche that looks good, from all angles for me.
The funny thing is, over the last five years values had gone up.
They are a very small market, for a seller and a buyer that is for sure.
They have to have money spent on the upkeep, that is the weak point about them.
Many owners do not look after them, use them then sell them on and then so many poor 930's turn up for sale.
People still want mega bucks for one that, needs loads of money spent on it right away by a new owner.
If you want one try find a good one that is a battle itself?

Lax Power said:
Sounds practical, just don't know if I could cope with people asking me if it was a Turbo.
I'm amazed that the 930 turbo has gained such a following after these responses. Does anyone like driving theirs or ever regret selling one?
Values have gone North on most IB cars.............to a degree
The reason is pretty simple "supply and demand" for good cars.
The majority are crap so an owner with a good solid car with low miles will demand a premium and sell reasonably quick, mine sold within a week.
But you say values have gone North and thats a reasonable debate, as there are 930's and expensive £20k+ 3.2's that have been on the market for months and months, to me the market is full of chancers and good well known cars will be the ones that sell.

SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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We both agree there prices have gone as you say gone north and up in value.
I would never get a 930 like mine now, for what I paid for mine five years ago that is for sure.

Also the market is tight for everybody, a 911 is not at the top of people's list of things to buy these days. Just because they are not selling, does not make then a bad car. In the last few years the world market has changed.

Edited by SEE YA on Wednesday 8th August 08:33

mudy

874 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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The problem with the 930 is mainly that there is so much balls written about them and everyone has their own very distinct experience based on their own peculiarities. Jbl always pops up saying you need to mod the hell out of one to enjoy it crimp a length seems delighted to have sold his; treating it purely as a money making exercise - the truth is yours - I'd say test drive a good one and make your own mind up!

JBL930

1,837 posts

215 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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'mod the hell out of it' is a little strong, but fair point smile

mudy

874 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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I'm not sure there's a car on here that provokes such strong and varying opinions - I never see this sort of debate about 32s or 964s or 993 - I wonder why?

It just seems so subjective - I've had mine 3 years and spent all of the rise in value making it as good as it can be and I love it. I can certainly see jbls point - a better turbo/intercooler and cams for midrange would be great but I imagine it's a slippery slope!


SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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The 930 is a classic Porsche you either like it or not. The bonus is that if you buy a good one, and look after it come selling time it should not have dropped in value.

Sometimes any car can sell fast right time and buyer etc, I have sold cars within a week some took longer.
The fact is I did not think about the selling point, on my 930 when I bought it the values could have gone south. I bought it to enjoy it as this was my dream car.
People also have to remember, these cars are over twenty years old now?