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DS240
1,410 posts
87 months
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burwoodman said: I'm pretty sure the Macan is q5 size. Cayenne is q7 chassis albeit not as long overall. Correct. Cayenne is platform shared with touareg and Q7. Macan is taken off the Q5 platform.
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Globs
11,749 posts
100 months
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Why is Porsche turning into an also ran for crap 4x4 'cars' and pig ugly saloons?
Isn't there any money in sports cars these days (chocolate engine issues aside)?
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DS240
1,410 posts
87 months
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Globs said: Why is Porsche turning into an also ran for crap 4x4 'cars' and pig ugly saloons?
Isn't there any money in sports cars these days (chocolate engine issues aside)? Diversity is the name of the game these days. Cayenne is biggest selling Porsche at the moment. Panamera is also doing well. At least they are class leading in some areas. As long as the core products still come and these are required to do that, then so be it. Hopefully there will be a front engine v8 coupe coming off the next panamera platform also.
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Zyp
5,705 posts
58 months
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DSM2 said: Oh really? You sure?
I understood the Macan was based on Q5 and the Cayenne is surely based on the Tuareg isn't it?
Anyway, doesn't matter, you and your wife clearly buy badges, not cars. Well, my OPC assured me it will be Q3 size, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. Taking that the Cayenne is based on the Toureg, which in turn is much smaller than the Q7 (therefore Q5 size). As for your final statement -what makes you think that? I sold a 911 for a Lotus once upon a time. Eta - if it turns out to be Q5 size,I won't bother. It'll be too big. We'll have a Kia Sportage instead. Obviously, because we buy badges, not cars..
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I_Want_That_One
93 posts
77 months
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DSM2
3,624 posts
69 months
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Zyp said: DSM2 said: Oh really? You sure?
I understood the Macan was based on Q5 and the Cayenne is surely based on the Tuareg isn't it?
Anyway, doesn't matter, you and your wife clearly buy badges, not cars. Well, my OPC assured me it will be Q3 size, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. Taking that the Cayenne is based on the Toureg, which in turn is much smaller than the Q7 (therefore Q5 size). As for your final statement -what makes you think that? I sold a 911 for a Lotus once upon a time. Eta - if it turns out to be Q5 size,I won't bother. It'll be too big. We'll have a Kia Sportage instead. Obviously, because we buy badges, not cars.. "a car with an Audi badge on the front is the last thing my wife would have or want" That's what makes me think that. Anyway, order your Kia because the Macan is based on the Q5.
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Zyp
5,705 posts
58 months
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DSM2 said: "a car with an Audi badge on the front is the last thing my wife would have or want"
That's what makes me think that.
Anyway, order your Kia because the Macan is based on the Q5. Having read quite a bit about the Macan now, I concede it appears my OPC is indeed wrong and everyone on here us correct with regards to the size. With regards again to your frankly inane comment about buying the badge - we don't like Audis, they're not a patch on Porsche, or BMW. In my opinion. How much simpler can I put it? Unless a pop-up book will help explain it to you? I notice on the R8 v gt3 thread you run a similar form.
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DSM2
3,624 posts
69 months
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I_Want_That_One said: What can be deemed a sports car? if it's fun to drive, has dynamic handling that outshines the competition, enough performance to put a smile on your face and looks good then does it need to be packaged in a two-door body? The boundaries are being blurred. If a Panamera Turbo can post the same Nurgurgring lap time as a Ferarri 360 Challenge-Stradale (7.56), what makes a sports car? Ultimately, we al know that a Panamera is a heavy car but FML is it fun to drive  Well, I never mentioned the Panamera, which I accept is a very capable sporty saloon. Would you argue the Cayenne is in the same class? Really? I'm sure there are good reasons to buy a Cayenne, but none have come to me yet.
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gd
165 posts
57 months
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DSM2 said: I'm sure there are good reasons to buy a Cayenne, but none have come to me yet. Try having a family, with all the needs that creates for transporting around people in safety and the tonne of equipment that they seem to need. And the need to carry home stuff from DIY shops, take stuff to the tip, or equipment/bikes/food to days out and camping holidays... Oh, whilst wanting a car that Clarkson himself said "handles brilliantly, not just for a 4x4, but for any car" and an engine that responds very well when you push the loud pedal, can overtake and get out of junctions safely and generally puts a smile on your face. We had a V6 first. It did the first of these but not the second, so we traded it in for a GTS, which ticks both boxes and then some. It's just awesome. It drinks like a fish, but that's the price you pay I guess. As for the Macan, we may be in the market for one in a few years, but only if there is a significant advantage over the Cayenne in terms of price and fuel consumption. If not then we'll stick with the pepper. G
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jackal
9,766 posts
151 months
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If you get over the suv prejudice and the looks (which i accept many people cant) then the Cayenne is an amazingly versatile real world car and it ticks many many boxes, more than most other cars out there. I cant think of much else that could do all the same functions as well. Ive regularly got the thing full of photography or hifi gear or the odd washing machine and it swallows a lot of stuff with the seats back. Its great on long distance, great for the family, very very easy to manouvrre around town and its genuine fun too.
Yes there are other SUVs buy they arent any fun and fall to pieces when you want to get on it and go round the outside of other sports cars on roundabouts. Yes there is a 535d or an A6 avant but they dont elevate you on the mway and hence destress you, they cant go in the mud and the visibility around the built up city doesn't compare. I personally love estates but i dont ever see myself going back to one as it will always be a backward step.
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Globs
11,749 posts
100 months
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jackal said: If you get over the suv prejudice and the looks ..then it still isn't a sports car by any stretch of the imagination. The 911 and Boxster are becoming like the Audi TT, just a sporty car from Yet Another German Badge. VAG, Seat, Skoda, Porsche, Lamborghini. All the same company. Boring.
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Geneve
2,686 posts
88 months
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DSM2 said: I'm sure there are good reasons to buy a Cayenne, but none have come to me yet. If someone wants a versatile, 5-seat, sporting, luxurious, economical, sharp handling, SUV, with a prestige badge, then it's widely regarded as the 'best in class'. It seems a lot of people do want such a vehicle, and Porsche have addressed it.
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jackal
9,766 posts
151 months
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Globs said: ..then it still isn't a sports car by any stretch of the imagination.
The 911 and Boxster are becoming like the Audi TT, just a sporty car from Yet Another German Badge.
VAG, Seat, Skoda, Porsche, Lamborghini. All the same company.
Boring. Whats a sports car ? ... a 1973 Elan Sprint at around 630kg is a sports car. The pont is a cayenne is genuinely fast and fun when hustled. There IS a point to having a blast in one. However you 'define' it is irrelevant.
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Globs
11,749 posts
100 months
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jackal said: Globs said: ..then it still isn't a sports car by any stretch of the imagination.
The 911 and Boxster are becoming like the Audi TT, just a sporty car from Yet Another German Badge.
VAG, Seat, Skoda, Porsche, Lamborghini. All the same company.
Boring. Whats a sports car ? ... a 1973 Elan Sprint at around 630kg is a sports car. The pont is a cayenne is genuinely fast and fun when hustled. There IS a point to having a blast in one. However you 'define' it is irrelevant. Yes - I guess Lotus is one true remaining sports car company. Maybe I should buy an Esprit, do it up and fit an engine that works.
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Wild Card 911
69 posts
15 months
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Mutema
283 posts
19 months
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burwoodman said: She has a Tiguan currently-loves it. The issue with Mrs B is she won't even consider anything 'big'. The Tiguan is a very good car but it is very short on power and where we live, rural B roads, you do need plenty of power to go for that overtake. I thought of a 3.0 Q5 but as the Macan is coming out, at which point the current car will be almost 3 years old I figured it would be perfect. I think our wives are cut from the same cloth. Mine said the same thing about 'anything big'. We live in London so the width of the car is much more of a consideration and to be honest, we just don't need the scale of a Q7/Cayenne/Tourag. We've got a MKII that's six months old, really like the styling of it. It's better in the metal than in photographs. Assume that you've got the 2.0TDI? I've found it to be pretty good if you drive it manual for quick overtakes but did you think of remapping? You're out of warranty now and I know of a few tuners who will do custom maps based on your own personal requirements versus getting a cookie cutter profile. It could give your wife what she wants. What I've seen of the Macan, it has notes of the Nissan Puke about it - the back looks poorly considered from a design point of view but this could be just vehicle disguise but it would seem too elaborate. I'd be interested in the engine line up and configurations. A Turbo S might be quite fun.
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Helicopter123
1,063 posts
25 months
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Thinking about sticking a deposit down - probably aim to flip it on when the Evoque crowd look to move on to the next must have car...
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toppstuff
8,356 posts
116 months
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Geneve said: If someone wants a versatile, 5-seat, sporting, luxurious, economical, sharp handling, SUV, with a prestige badge, then it's widely regarded as the 'best in class'.
It seems a lot of people do want such a vehicle, and Porsche have addressed it. The things that puzzles me about the Cayenne is the diesel - a fine car I am sure, but the VW Toureg which shares the same platform and oily bits is available with a stonking big diesel V8 and the Cayenne is stuck with the V6. The Cayenne is nice, but the Toureg V8 diesel seems to have it beaten it seems to me.
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MrTickle
1,462 posts
108 months
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toppstuff said: The things that puzzles me about the Cayenne is the diesel - a fine car I am sure, but the VW Toureg which shares the same platform and oily bits is available with a stonking big diesel V8 and the Cayenne is stuck with the V6.
The Cayenne is nice, but the Toureg V8 diesel seems to have it beaten it seems to me. Cayenne V8 diesel available to order very soon!
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Koln-RS
1,209 posts
81 months
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Not everyone wants a bigger, thirstier engine.
I've driven in a couple of the V6 Diesel Cayennes and found them very smooth, with oodles of performance for this type of vehicle, and 35-40mpg seems to be realistically achievable.
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