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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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I hadn't realised people actually buy gap insurance... just thought it was one of those things dealers try and push on you to which you say "no thanks".
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Pioneer
1,185 posts
68 months
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BnB said: I could not only buy a better value car than my 991 but I could also do my commute in a £20k diesel repmobile and save money on petrol to boot. But I want to drive the car of my choice specced just how I like it and I reckon the OP feels much the same way. I'm sure you are right, and I've done the same myself! Atleast the OP seems to accept what the car is going to cost, whereas so many people's expectations are so far from reality..... I still think he's mad though, not that what I think matters.....
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wilkos
79 posts
107 months
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cervezaman said: my car would be worth a lot more to me than the figure they'd probably offer. The insurers could offer a really low figure, but to me the car would have done very few miles and would be in excellent condition.
Cheers, Jon This is what I don't get. Your insurance company is obliged to replace your car when faced with a total loss, with the same car, same age, same spec, same mileage and condition. You don't have to accept their money. Just say I don't want money, I want you to replace my car. That is what they are obliged to do. No need for gap insurance.
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SFO
2,595 posts
52 months
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wilkos said: This is what I don't get. Your insurance company is obliged to replace your car when faced with a total loss, with the same car, same age, same spec, same mileage and condition. You don't have to accept their money. Just say I don't want money, I want you to replace my car. That is what they are obliged to do.
No need for gap insurance. that's not how it works after the 1st year (where most insurance company will replace). after year 1, you get market value in cash.
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wilkos
79 posts
107 months
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SFO said: that's not how it works after the 1st year (where most insurance company will replace).
after year 1, you get market value in cash. Not my understanding of it. I pay my insurance company to replace my car in the event of a total loss, not to give me money so that I can replace it. I have taken this stance with my business fleet when faced with a total loss, and the insurer kept upping their offers until I was prepared to replace the vehicle myself. I always argued that if it is market value then go and replace the vehicle for me.
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anniesdad
9,131 posts
107 months
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SFO said: wilkos said: This is what I don't get. Your insurance company is obliged to replace your car when faced with a total loss, with the same car, same age, same spec, same mileage and condition. You don't have to accept their money. Just say I don't want money, I want you to replace my car. That is what they are obliged to do.
No need for gap insurance. that's not how it works after the 1st year (where most insurance company will replace). after year 1, you get market value in cash. As SFO says, an insurer will only pay for a brand new car of the same spec if the car is subject to a total loss in its first year of registration and you are the cars original owner. The OP cannot expect to find a car with the same spec elsewhere. I would think it would be one of the most loaded Boxster's in history! Outside of 12 months you can expect that the insurers will pay the market value of the car to the finance company and the (quite possible) substantial negative equity will be paid by the OP. What the OP really wants is Return To Invoice insurance. Check it out OP. IIRC Lombard do RTI. Edited: just re-read the OP's original post and can see you're already on to RTI. 
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wilkos
79 posts
107 months
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What I'm saying is if you have a total loss after 2 years, the insurance company will replace your car with a 2 year old similar condition, mileage and spec car. It's surprising how many crazily specced up cars there are out there, so finding an equivalent is possible. Of course they won't buy you a brand new one! If you're worried about negative equity because you're financing a 70k plus car, then don't buy it, you can't afford it.
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cervezaman
Original Poster
64 posts
10 months
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Thanks for the input guys! Just to put my mind at ease the OPC had another customer with a 71k boxter....
I like my options. It's come from the past where I've had cars which I wished had certain options and I've either swapped them or had stuff fitted aftermarket which is always a pain in the ar*e and always never quite right also.
When you justify it more, it seems logical!
Sports Exhaust - definitely! Sport Chrono - yes, it's PDK PASM - I liked the ride in the demo PASM car PTV - might as well PCCB - I like clean wheels! PCM - essential Wheels - I like 20" Leather - yep, count me in
It really doesn't take much.. If I were to have gone for a 991 then I would have also specced the same options.
Finally, at least the paint was free lol
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anniesdad
9,131 posts
107 months
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But they don't replace the car, they just give you the money ie, the cars market value. They aren't magicians, magicing up massively specced Boxster's at 2-3 years old. I'm not saying that's everybody's experience of dealing with insurers but it's certainly mine in the last 24 years of dealing with them. 
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cervezaman
Original Poster
64 posts
10 months
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wilkos said: What I'm saying is if you have a total loss after 2 years, the insurance company will replace your car with a 2 year old similar condition, mileage and spec car. It's surprising how many crazily specced up cars there are out there, so finding an equivalent is possible. Of course they won't buy you a brand new one! If you're worried about negative equity because you're financing a 70k plus car, then don't buy it, you can't afford it. I'm not worried about negative equity. I'd just want my 'brand new car' back in the case of a total loss. Even 2 years down the line, my cars pretty much look like and drive like new. My E350 has only covered 4000 miles since it was new last October. Once the 981 arrives, the E350 will do even less miles!
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anniesdad
9,131 posts
107 months
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cervezaman said: Thanks for the input guys! Just to put my mind at ease the OPC had another customer with a 71k boxter....l Boxster my friend. Sorry... It's a pet hate of mine.  Great business for the OPC! I'm sure they'd love us all to spec. our 981's to this standard! I'm sure the car will be stunning, but I would really look for RTI as you suggest. It does look like though there is a £25k limit on most of these policies. At least you know you can get it cheaper than OPC RRP prices. 
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drmark
1,485 posts
55 months
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wilkos said: Not my understanding of it. I pay my insurance company to replace my car in the event of a total loss, not to give me money so that I can replace it. I have taken this stance with my business fleet when faced with a total loss, and the insurer kept upping their offers until I was prepared to replace the vehicle myself.
I always argued that if it is market value then go and replace the vehicle for me.
Not so - they do not have to source and supply like for like replacement. Just enable you to do so. And it is standard practice to offer low and increase if claimant won't accept so ALWAYS haggle. That is probably what helped your claims, not the like-for-like bit.
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Mutt
1,034 posts
60 months
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Pioneer said: Mutt said: I'm not sure you would live up to your handle... ? Not sure what you mean? Pioneers are usually the first to do something. Sounds like you don't have the appetite for depreciation 
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matc
4,279 posts
76 months
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wilkos said: What I'm saying is if you have a total loss after 2 years, the insurance company will replace your car with a 2 year old similar condition, mileage and spec car. It's surprising how many crazily specced up cars there are out there, so finding an equivalent is possible. Of course they won't buy you a brand new one! If you're worried about negative equity because you're financing a 70k plus car, then don't buy it, you can't afford it. You're right in what you're saying - however GAP insurance is designed to put you back in the position you were when you bought the car Brand New. So instead of taking 'market value' and having to buy a 2 year old car, the GAP insurance would give you back the invoice price. However, it's different in this case as the car is likely to depreceiate more than the £25k claim limit; but if the OP is unlucky enough to have their car written-off then they will have 'market value' plus £25k. I'm amazed at the number of people that don't understand this product, I can only assume that it's not been explained correctly by the person they're buying the car off. There's no way I would be buying a brand new car without it - and I'm in the motor trade!
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gl20
181 posts
18 months
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Personally, I can't be bothered with this insurance because if the car is a total write off I will still get from my 'main' insurance what I would have got had I traded it in that day rather than wrapped it round a lamp post. So to me this sort of extra insurance is almost encouraging me to have an accident!
Anyway, each to his own. If the OP does want it and can live with the standard amount of cover offered by the Porsche version then my advice is to hold tight and decline - they always offer to knock down the premium (by around 50%) at the last minute if my two OPC car purchases are anything to go by...
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Pioneer
1,185 posts
68 months
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Mutt said: Pioneers are usually the first to do something. Sounds like you don't have the appetite for depreciation  I got the user name off the front of my TV as I couldnt think of anything else really.  I wouldn't have the stomach for that much depreciation to be honest. I've always tried to buy my cars smart and have done ok, some down to luck (4k loss on a brand new boxster s when they first came out, owned for nearly 2 years). I've been thinking about this and maybe the new boxster will hold its money relatively well as the car has been universally well received and as other have stated it look better than the 991 and for the first time 911 owners may be tempted to trade down. I still think a car with that many options will lose a load, as options always do. Plus the fact it's not the same economic climate we were in a few years ago when Porsches held their money really well....
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SunDiver
719 posts
106 months
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cervezaman said: Don't ask, needless to say I specced everything except TV. Just add the telly and be done with it; in for a penny. You'll only regret it if you don't...:-)
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jontymo
537 posts
19 months
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Paid £200 at my OPC when getting my CR
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cervezaman
Original Poster
64 posts
10 months
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SunDiver said: Just add the telly and be done with it; in for a penny. You'll only regret it if you don't...:-) Could be tempted...! Just kidding - hoping that it's going to be built any day now! Thanks to everyone so far for the replies and honest thoughts. I know the options won't hold value, but hey they'll sure keep me happy :-) Looking forward to getting it and posting a load of pictures!
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