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C8LNJ

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irish boy

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Worth looking at for anyone in the market for one....but there's usually a reason for a low price.

C8LNJ

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Yep must be a story behind it. Especially as it was on then off then back on lower priced.

What is there to check on one of these at those miles?

Guessing its:

When/has 5 rad's been changed

Turbo's anything in history

Brakes - last serviced/replaced.

What else goes on them?

crisisjez

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C8LNJ said:
Seen this around 10 days ago for 21500, it was on a few days then went off.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

Looked again on Monday and it was back on at 19500.

Now to me its very cheap with fpsh & in a rare colour and low owners. Miles are about average but I think it looks ok.

Only 20 miles from me as well.

Shame im not in the market for another car just now or i'd have went for a look.
You may not be bothered but your postcode is displayed in that Autotrader ad.
Hope you don't have a Bugatti in the garage at homesmile

tjlees

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crisisjez said:
You may not be bothered but your postcode is displayed in that Autotrader ad.
Hope you don't have a Bugatti in the garage at homesmile
... Still need to Build the house by the looks of it - let alone the road!
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C8LNJ

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Nah ive got a E36 M3 that no one wants to buy, someone would be doing me a favour stealing it!!

Rockster

655 posts

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C8LNJ said:
Yep must be a story behind it. Especially as it was on then off then back on lower priced.

What is there to check on one of these at those miles?

Guessing its:

When/has 5 rad's been changed

Turbo's anything in history

Brakes - last serviced/replaced.

What else goes on them?
Just a used car. So check everything.

Be sure CEL and other lights come on then go off when you start the cold engine. Let engine idle and listen to it as it idles/warms up.

After it idles to nearly full operating temp -- maybe warm enough to check the oil level -- have the seller take you on a test ride.

A 15 miles test ride and on a route selected that gives the driver a chance to demo the car in a variety of scenarios.

Engine should pull hard from near idle to red line and with an upshift continue to pull hard. Once off the throttle rpms should drop to a steady/smooth idle.

For a powerful engine these things when healthy are very well behaved lack any real drama.

(The real drama comes when you shove the gas pedal to the floor and hold it there. Be sure your pointing the car where you want it to go when you do this.)

Look for reasonable hot idle oil pressure (based on my car around 1.5 bar or higher to around 2.0 bar) and hot high rpm oil pressure (4+ bar at 3K rpms).

Look that engine develops 0.7 bar boost though under some conditions this can go to 0.8 bar even 0.9 bar but my experience is you'll need to be driving at say 8K feet above sea level to see 0.9 bar boost.

After the test ride take the car out and over the same route and drive the car the same way.

Give the engine plenty of running at operating temperature to manifest any untoward behavior. Give the DME plenty of time to check out all sensors/systems are aok.

Back at the starting point give the car a thorough used car check out.

Then after this if you still like the car have it subjected to a PPI. This is done after the test ride/drive because if there are any leaks the odds are they'll be more visible after the car having been driven 30 miles.

You want to avoid focusing on say the radiators -- which of course in some cases do sprout a leak (mainly arising from corrosion from trash build up in the radiator ducts) -- and fail to spot tire wear that suggests the car's bent, or a leaking transmission, or torn CV boots, or an engine the turns on the CEL after having been driven some miles, a car that fails to generate any boost, or has exceptionally low (or exceptionally high -- someone running 75w-90 tranny fluid in the engine to hide a worn out engine), and so on.

BTW, my 03 Turbo now has over 96K miles on it and its radiators are fine along with everything else. Original clutch, coils, CV boots. 6-speed tranny replaced under warranty when selector shaft seal developed a leak. (Hence, my advice above to drive that car before the PPI! And PPI must be prepared to remove some of the underbody panels to expose areas that can hide leaks. The tranny leak only found when I had the car in for an early tranny/diff fluid change and tech removed panels to do this and spotted the leaking shaft seal.)

Anyhow, these cars can go some big miles with proper care and luck (luck primarily at avoiding accidents which over time accounts for taking many otherwise fine cars off the road before their time).

I know of one USA Turbo owner who has over 350K miles on his Turbo, S model too, IRRC.

Sincerely,

Rockster.

tjlees

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Rockster said:
Just a used car. So check everything.

Be sure CEL and other lights come on then go off when you start the cold engine. Let engine idle and listen to it as it idles/warms up.

After it idles to nearly full operating temp -- maybe warm enough to check the oil level -- have the seller take you on a test ride.

A 15 miles test ride and on a route selected that gives the driver a chance to demo the car in a variety of scenarios.

Engine should pull hard from near idle to red line and with an upshift continue to pull hard. Once off the throttle rpms should drop to a steady/smooth idle.

For a powerful engine these things when healthy are very well behaved lack any real drama.

(The real drama comes when you shove the gas pedal to the floor and hold it there. Be sure your pointing the car where you want it to go when you do this.)

Look for reasonable hot idle oil pressure (based on my car around 1.5 bar or higher to around 2.0 bar) and hot high rpm oil pressure (4+ bar at 3K rpms).

Look that engine develops 0.7 bar boost though under some conditions this can go to 0.8 bar even 0.9 bar but my experience is you'll need to be driving at say 8K feet above sea level to see 0.9 bar boost.

After the test ride take the car out and over the same route and drive the car the same way.

Give the engine plenty of running at operating temperature to manifest any untoward behavior. Give the DME plenty of time to check out all sensors/systems are aok.

Back at the starting point give the car a thorough used car check out.

Then after this if you still like the car have it subjected to a PPI. This is done after the test ride/drive because if there are any leaks the odds are they'll be more visible after the car having been driven 30 miles.

You want to avoid focusing on say the radiators -- which of course in some cases do sprout a leak (mainly arising from corrosion from trash build up in the radiator ducts) -- and fail to spot tire wear that suggests the car's bent, or a leaking transmission, or torn CV boots, or an engine the turns on the CEL after having been driven some miles, a car that fails to generate any boost, or has exceptionally low (or exceptionally high -- someone running 75w-90 tranny fluid in the engine to hide a worn out engine), and so on.

BTW, my 03 Turbo now has over 96K miles on it and its radiators are fine along with everything else. Original clutch, coils, CV boots. 6-speed tranny replaced under warranty when selector shaft seal developed a leak. (Hence, my advice above to drive that car before the PPI! And PPI must be prepared to remove some of the underbody panels to expose areas that can hide leaks. The tranny leak only found when I had the car in for an early tranny/diff fluid change and tech removed panels to do this and spotted the leaking shaft seal.)

Anyhow, these cars can go some big miles with proper care and luck (luck primarily at avoiding accidents which over time accounts for taking many otherwise fine cars off the road before their time).

I know of one USA Turbo owner who has over 350K miles on his Turbo, S model too, IRRC.

Sincerely,

Rockster.
good post thumbup ... but i have have to ask ... are you driving like a granny for the clutch to last 96k+ miles?? I'll get my coat if this is counted as normal by others. I'm sure you were doing well to get 40k+ on a hypercar ... or is it an auto that helps it to this mileage?

mollytherocker

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tjlees said:
good post thumbup ... but i have have to ask ... are you driving like a granny for the clutch to last 96k+ miles?? I'll get my coat if this is counted as normal by others. I'm sure you were doing well to get 40k+ on a hypercar ... or is it an auto that helps it to this mileage?
Mechanical sympathy and speed are not exclusive. The smoothest drivers are usually the quickest.

MTR

marky911

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Does look cheap! Half the price of a GT2 as well.

Makes a GT2 seem totally pointless.


























Just kidding! Couldn't resist after the GT2 thread. wink

Rockster

655 posts

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tjlees said:
good post thumbup ... but i have have to ask ... are you driving like a granny for the clutch to last 96k+ miles?? I'll get my coat if this is counted as normal by others. I'm sure you were doing well to get 40k+ on a hypercar ... or is it an auto that helps it to this mileage?
The car is a 6-speed manual.

Frankly, I think it is not normal -- at least based on my experience -- for these cars to have their clutches not last longer than some report.

Anyhow, I don't think I drive the Turbo like a granny.

'course, I don't, well, rarely, very rarely engage in stop light gran prix races, and I do not otherwise engage in reckless driving and generally try (ahem) to behave myself at all times. (I'll not tell you about the M-B SL 65 AMG the other night on the way home. God I want to own a car with a V12 engine...)

I've driven powerful cars before. Not super cars mind you, but (USA) cars (coupes) with a big engine (V8), manual transmission, and plenty of power and torque. In fact, I prefer them. They are generally easy to drive as long as one keeps in his mind what power is under his right foot and the engines (and drive trains) are robust because they aren't stressed very much as long as one isn't thrashing the car about like a mad man.

Driven reasonably they often deliver pretty good (for a car with a big engine) gas mileage. The 6.0l GTO with 400hp/400lbft would deliver 26/27mph on long drives at some speed as long as I was good and kept the pace steady and didn't go crazy passing other traffic. But oh would it pass traffic.

The Turbo too delivers pretty good gas mileage about the same in fact as the GTO.

More on that stress thing: Based on my observation it takes around 40hp to move either my Boxster or my Turbo down a flat road with no head wind (no real wind of any kind) and keeping a steady and not too fast cruising speed.

For the Boxster (~220hp), that 40hp represents around 20% of the engine's total output. For the Turbo (420hp) around 10%. Which engine is working harder, stressed more?

As for the clutch both cars have very communicative clutches though the Boxster is a better clutch because it is not boosted as is the Turbo clutch, which is a bit overboosted and as a result lacks some of the feel the Boxster clutch has. However, it doesn't take much mental energy to adapt when I switch from car to car and the Turbo is easy to move off from a stop. I pride myself on my smooth low rpm take off in my Turbo (and Boxster).

'course, most other cars can leave the line quicker than my Turbo. Even smaller cars, less powerful cars, courtesy of an automatic and a driver with a heavy right foot. But if I wanted to I could easily smoke most cars off the line. I'm just not willing to subject my Turbo to that treatment for the sake of confirming what I already know: The Turbo is a very powerful and fast car, faster than all but a handful of other cars on the road.

Might add I'm not the only one to note that generally Porsches can deliver good clutch life along with brake life and so on.(Might add the brakes on the Turbo are original though the rotors and pads are getting thin, maybe they'll need doing around the 100K mile mark).

Anyhow, I read some UK published car mags which once in a while have a story on an exotic car club all of which have a good selection of exotic cars, including of course various Porsches. Invariably the Porsches come in for praise for needing the least amount of upkeep. While other brands require clutches (sometimes in under 10K miles), camshaft belts, brakes, and even attention to other drivetrain hardware, the Porsches require just regular services and that's about it.

Sincerely,

Rockster.

tjlees

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Good to know that porsche ownership should be, if you treat it right, relatively cheap on consumables.

I got 112k out of the brakes but that was on a golf diesel biggrin

The turbo does seem to get fairly good mpg. When I drove a corvette Z06 in the states we averaged 33 mpg regardless of the abuse - must been having to keep it below 55 for most of the time

When I was deciding on the Porsche v others like the 458, Aston vantage V12V, masser gran turismo etc. the servicing cost was significantly cheaper on the Porsche - relatively. On test driving them through dream car hire on super car day, it was obvious that the Porsche turbo had taken the abuse well especially in the cabin. All had around 40k miles on and according to the company, the Porsche had had the least problems. The lambo needed its clutch changing every 10kish miles! Some like the GTR and masser have servicing packs that are included or you can buy at a discount rate - does cover thing like clutches though.

I think I may keep the warranty going for little longer, but from previous performance cars I have never really claimed so maybe not worth it. Even with the golf claims I have made, I only just about broke even.
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