Login | Register
SearchMy Stuff
My ProfileMy PreferencesMy Mates RSS Feed
1
3 4 5 6
Reply to Topic
Author Discussion

SonnyM

3,072 posts

79 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
The only 911 that has ever tempted me away from the Boxster is the GT3 RS - it's the only car that is more fun to drive IMO. That's how great the Boxster is...

sootyvrs

234 posts

28 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
I test drove both Cayman S Gen 2 and 997 Gen2 Carrera back to back before deciding which model I preferred.

They are both great cars but did think the Cayman was a more exciting drive (only just) which was enough for me to decide to get a Cayman (R in my case).

I can only assume the 987 and 981 Boxters are similarly great drives.

If it's an itch you have to scratch, then just do it.... What's the worst that can happen but to change back to a Boxter in the future, if assuming you think you made a mistake which I doubt will be the case.

itsybitsy

1,567 posts

71 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Dblue said:
I was given a Boxster S (987) as a courtesy car when my 997GT3 was serviced a couple of years ago and it was a sweet fun car in every way with delightful handling and a raspy motor but was , of course, entirely overshadowed by the GT3.
Different to a C2 I know but in isolation the Boxster would have impressed but back to back it was miles slower and felt every bit a car worth half the price, maybe a third of the price.
i agree with above if talking about gen1 cars but not the gen2.
the spyder/cayman R were half the price of a 7gt3 but not half the car hence i opted for a spyder which is far more useable on the road.plus the fact the new 991 gt3 will now have essentially the same engine as the gen2 987/997 puts those cars in a whole new ball park.
in some ways the best car porsche now make and closer to the original concept 40 years ago is the humble 2.7 boxster although not that i would have one i would always have to take the S




Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 13th September 13:39

cmoose

25,391 posts

115 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
itsybitsy said:
in some ways the best car porsche now make and closer to the original concept 40 years ago is the humble 2.7 boxster although not that i would have one i would always have to take the S
If they're still making it (it's still listed on the website), I'd say the Cayman 2.9 fulfils that role. 981 Boxster is too much of a luxury GT. Cayman 2.9 is simpler, purer. And tin top.

gd

184 posts

74 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
cmoose said:
I think much of the difference here is psychosomatic. The Box and 911 are essentially the same car. Same platform. Same engines. Obviously engine and gearbox are rotated 180 degrees and the weight distribution is different.

But the idea that a cooking 911 feels a lot more special than a cooking Boxster is in my view pretty much a fantasy.
Nope, sorry, can't agree with that. On paper it's right, but when actually getting in and driving the cars, the two are very different (or should I say were, as I am referring to a 986 and 996).

Yes they share lots of parts, but the configuration, the handling, the way you can use the power and the sounds are all just different. Dropping off the 986 and driving out in a new 996 I expected to be wow'd, but I remember feeling that is was less nippy, less dynamic and less fun.

I don't really give a rats a** about the 'image' of a 911 v Boxster, I'm just interested in how the car drives. I had 3 Boxsters as I loved the way they drove before changing to a 911.

To the OP, I'd say go for a few test drives and see what you think. Only you can decide.

Advertisement

Raitzi

624 posts

98 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Maybe the thing is that if you simply 911 greatly, all it improves is the power output.(layout, weight, feel, two boots on c and b, price) And this is not enough for the money at least for me and also it makes it harder and harder to enjoy on normal driving.

Dblue

2,287 posts

86 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
itsybitsy said:
Dblue said:
I was given a Boxster S (987) as a courtesy car when my 997GT3 was serviced a couple of years ago and it was a sweet fun car in every way with delightful handling and a raspy motor but was , of course, entirely overshadowed by the GT3.
Different to a C2 I know but in isolation the Boxster would have impressed but back to back it was miles slower and felt every bit a car worth half the price, maybe a third of the price.
i agree with above if talking about gen1 cars but not the gen2.
the spyder/cayman R were half the price of a 7gt3 but not half the car hence i opted for a spyder which is far more useable on the road.plus the fact the new 991 gt3 will now have essentially the same engine as the gen2 987/997 puts those cars in a whole new ball park.
in some ways the best car porsche now make and closer to the original concept 40 years ago is the humble 2.7 boxster although not that i would have one i would always have to take the S




Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 13th September 13:39
Good points about the 987 and the Spyder. Certainly they are great cars but I have to say the roof on the Spyder really limits its usability. Not just the shenanigans involved in taking it off/putting it back on but the noise and limitations it imposes on day to day running.
Cayman R different kettle of fish and a very fine car. Personally, I reckon the GT3 is worth the extra but thats only when compared back to back

itsybitsy

1,567 posts

71 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
yes the cayman R is the best day to day car whereas gt3 and spyder are more weekend toys which is what i wanted!hence the spyder with its removable roof and lighter clutch in traffic ,gokart like handling has the edge over a gt3,the spyder/cayman R just need a few more horses and they would eat the gt3 for breakfast so not really half value of a gt3 i would say more like 80% the value of a GT3

Dr S

3,325 posts

112 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Boxster S is the best value for money Porsche do.

Whilst I drive a GT3 I don't think I could go back to a cooking 911. I'd rather have a Boxster S then...

cmoose

25,391 posts

115 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
gd said:
Nope, sorry, can't agree with that. On paper it's right, but when actually getting in and driving the cars, the two are very different (or should I say were, as I am referring to a 986 and 996).

Yes they share lots of parts, but the configuration, the handling, the way you can use the power and the sounds are all just different. Dropping off the 986 and driving out in a new 996 I expected to be wow'd, but I remember feeling that is was less nippy, less dynamic and less fun.

I don't really give a rats a** about the 'image' of a 911 v Boxster, I'm just interested in how the car drives. I had 3 Boxsters as I loved the way they drove before changing to a 911.

To the OP, I'd say go for a few test drives and see what you think. Only you can decide.
This is obviously all very subjective. Except for the "sharing a lot of parts" thing. It's more than that. They are fundamentally the same car, just with a cleverly configurable rear end that allows for the two different powertrain orientations.

That's not to say there are not differences in feel or dynamics. But as I said above, the "specialness" is an illusion, at least with regard to cooking 911 vs Boxster.

When it comes to the water cooled stuff, I think I'd lean towards a Cayman, unless we're allowing GT3s into the equation. The water cooled 911s don't feel dramatically rear engined to me, which becomes more and more the case as you move through newer and newer models. So, I'd probably prefer the smaller, cosier Cayman.

Ozzie Osmond

16,193 posts

132 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Drove both - bought the Boxster. wink

bigee

736 posts

124 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Had a 996 (that looked like a GT3 laugh ) and now have a 986 Boxster S....to me,the boxster is the better drive,more precise somehow.Sure the 911 is THE car to have apparently,but, go and drive one and you will be surprised,i was/am !

TryHarder

Original Poster:

896 posts

72 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Thanks again for the views and opinions :-)

ryankelly

27 posts

36 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
I traded my Boxster S for a 996 C4S last year. I found myself missing the Boxster but didn't necessarily regret the trade. A few months ago I ended up buying my Dads (100k one owner) Boxster as it was fantastic value. I now have both at my disposal and they are fantastic cars. It is hard to beat the experience offered by the Boxster (beautiful mid engine handling, the lovely induction sounds and open top motoring). Then again the 911 is much quicker, has more torque, looks better and is an icon.

rob.kellock

1,802 posts

78 months

[news] 
Thursday 13th September 2012 quote quote all
Yeah but... the 911 isn't quicker really is it?
Not on public roads anyway. A well driven 997 turbo cannot lose a Boxster Spyder on the deserted back roads of France around LeMans. We did a proper scientific experiment and everything...

Raitzi

624 posts

98 months

[news] 
Friday 14th September 2012 quote quote all
rob.kellock said:
Yeah but... the 911 isn't quicker really is it?
Not necessarily. 981 Bosxter S with PDK was clearly faster than 991 S manual in Scandinavian Sports Car of the Year test.

FrankCayman

1,095 posts

99 months

[news] 
Friday 14th September 2012 quote quote all
Having covered 90K in a Boxster, 80K in a Cayman and around 10K in a 997 I would say my preference is.......

Cayman.


rdjohn

1,216 posts

81 months

[news] 
Friday 14th September 2012 quote quote all
cmoose said:
This is obviously all very subjective. Except for the "sharing a lot of parts" thing. It's more than that. They are fundamentally the same car, just with a cleverly configurable rear end that allows for the two different powertrain orientations.

That's not to say there are not differences in feel or dynamics. But as I said above, the "specialness" is an illusion, at least with regard to cooking 911 vs Boxster.
When it comes to the cost of building these cars Porsche’s target was that 911 Turbo, should only cost $6,000 (say £4k) more to build than a Boxster. The cheaper to build Cayman probably made the difference a bit more. $US dollars were used as that is the market with the smallest margins.

Dblue

2,287 posts

86 months

[news] 
Friday 14th September 2012 quote quote all
I have never been able to understand how Porsche get away with charging a £5k premium for taking the roof of a 997 and yet do the exact opposite further down their range.
Surely a Cayman should be cheaper than a Boxster, not the other way round

Ozzie Osmond

16,193 posts

132 months

[news] 
Friday 14th September 2012 quote quote all
Dblue said:
Surely a Cayman should be cheaper than a Boxster, not the other way round
Marketing. So production cost is of little significance. Same rules apply in the price of items on the lengthy and expensive list of options where the cost of producing the car barely changes.

They know the Cayman is effectively a 2-seat 911 with the engine in a better position so can charge a price between Boxster and 911.

If you want a convertible - buy the Boxster
If you want a 4 seat coupe - buy the 911
If you want a coupe with beautiful mid engined balance - buy the Cayman

1
3 4 5 6
Reply to Topic