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Ullers

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24 months

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mnk303 said:
On 981's there are no discounts in cash , just deals ie paid for factory collections or the free track day, they don't need to discount the 981 they can't make enough of them, that's why VW factory now assisting.

At £50k to £65k IMO there is no better open top sports car, got to spend £100k plus plus on a 991 to get a decent spec convertible and the rear seats are pointless.

Deprecation will always be there, I say buy a car you are comfortable with , run and use it, enjoy it And then gulp take the depreciation , at least you have enjoyed it. With a Ferrari you have deprecation, running costs, and lack of use!
Ignore above post I meant to quote above.

Not correct. I got £1500 off mine last month for delivery in November, and got the driving experience included as well. Not a huge discount, but more than perhaps I thought was possible for a new model. If I had a stock unregistered car it would have been quite a bit more. This is in contrast to my previous Porsches (pre 2007), when no discount of any sort was available but prices didn't seem quite as extortionate. IMO new Porsches have become very expensive (relative to other brands where more kit is standard - and no recognition in the pricing structure of the doldrums the economy is in) and thats why discounts will undoudtedly increase as the model ages, (to keep sales up with the production lines). I cannot believe Porsche sell many 2.7 Boxsters below 45k and many will be around 50k. It also seems many are specifiying their Boxster S's at a cost of £65,000 ( that's the same as my nicely specified 997 cost me in 2007). Sadly a 991 is now out of my comfort zone, even with a 10% discount.

SFO

3,329 posts

69 months

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Ullers said:
I got £1500 off mine last month for delivery in November, and got the driving experience included as well.
driving experience is a standard

Ady128

408 posts

29 months

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Diesel130 said:
Ady128 said:
I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about having full postal codes on satnavs. I'm a Postman and the last 2 digits of the code only refer to the other side ( or very close) of the street/road you're looking for. So I certainly won't be paying £500 for this update. Not that I use satnav much; I'd rather get lost!
Eh? No it isn't, well not in rural suffolk it isn't... if you look at the map for (say) IP21 5nn, that covers an area about 10 miles across and 8 miles north to south!

http://www.doogal.co.uk/UKPostcodes.php?Search=IP2...

Edited by Diesel130 on Monday 1st October 14:10
It must be just where I deliver, sorry!

cmoose

25,395 posts

115 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Ullers said:
Ignore above post I meant to quote above.

Not correct. I got £1500 off mine last month for delivery in November, and got the driving experience included as well. Not a huge discount, but more than perhaps I thought was possible for a new model. If I had a stock unregistered car it would have been quite a bit more. This is in contrast to my previous Porsches (pre 2007), when no discount of any sort was available but prices didn't seem quite as extortionate. IMO new Porsches have become very expensive (relative to other brands where more kit is standard - and no recognition in the pricing structure of the doldrums the economy is in) and thats why discounts will undoudtedly increase as the model ages, (to keep sales up with the production lines). I cannot believe Porsche sell many 2.7 Boxsters below 45k and many will be around 50k. It also seems many are specifiying their Boxster S's at a cost of £65,000 ( that's the same as my nicely specified 997 cost me in 2007). Sadly a 991 is now out of my comfort zone, even with a 10% discount.
Don't think people are remotely realistic about this.

In 1992 the UK list for a 944 S2 was £36k. Adjusted for inflation, that's over £60k for a four-pot Porsche. My 1997 Boxster 2.5 Boxster cost the original buyer about £40k with options in 1997, again about £60k today. A basic 993 C2 in 1997 was £61k, which is equivalent to over £90k today.

Porsches did get exceptionally cheap during the noughties. But today's Box and 911 are still cheap by historical standards.

Right now, you can buy a basic 2.7 Box for £37k and a basic Carrera for £71k. Both, I think, are cheap save for comparison with that exceptional period in the 00s. And before you talk about options, Porsches used to come with absolutely nothing as standard!

mollytherocker

11,032 posts

95 months

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cmoose said:
Don't think people are remotely realistic about this.

In 1992 the UK list for a 944 S2 was £36k. Adjusted for inflation, that's over £60k for a four-pot Porsche. My 1997 Boxster 2.5 Boxster cost the original buyer about £40k with options in 1997, again about £60k today. A basic 993 C2 in 1997 was £61k, which is equivalent to over £90k today.

Porsches did get exceptionally cheap during the noughties. But today's Box and 911 are still cheap by historical standards.

Right now, you can buy a basic 2.7 Box for £37k and a basic Carrera for £71k. Both, I think, are cheap save for comparison with that exceptional period in the 00s. And before you talk about options, Porsches used to come with absolutely nothing as standard!
It's not easy to compare today with the past, we are in a different world today with the emergence of the BRIC countries that have changed the worlds economy forever.

Porsche build costs are now half what they were in the early nineties.

I personally think that Porsche have priced the 991 way too strong and they know it. But it would be damaging to the brand to reduce it.

MTR
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cmoose

25,395 posts

115 months

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mollytherocker said:
Porsche build costs are now half what they were in the early nineties.
Yup, and Porsche was on the way to going bust.

That's not all. The manufacturing costs have gone down, but others costs of being in business have exploded.

It's astonishingly expensive to develop new cars now - it's so expensive, the world's largest car makers are joining up to share the costs. You need either massive volumes or big margins over build cost to get that money back. The base price of the 981 and 991 are still much lower than the 986 and 996 were at launch, and those cars were from the new Toyota-inspired lean manufacturing regime.

For the sports cars to be genuinely self financing and profit generating over multiple generations including development costs, not parasitic to the business, I doubt they could be dramatically cheaper.

Porkupine

1,604 posts

51 months

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cmoose said:
The base price of the 981 and 991 are still much lower than the 986 and 996 were at launch
Really? I find that surprising if accurate. In money terms? Or real terms?

cmoose

25,395 posts

115 months

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Porkupine said:
Really? I find that surprising if accurate. In money terms? Or real terms?
See my post a couple above, the numbers are all there.

ETA: the 996 wasn't there. It was roughly £60k base price at launch in 1998, which is about £90k in today's money. The 991 starts at £71k. 986 pricing and comparison with 981 is above.

PGM

1,774 posts

135 months

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Ady128 said:
Diesel130 said:
Ady128 said:
I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about having full postal codes on satnavs. I'm a Postman and the last 2 digits of the code only refer to the other side ( or very close) of the street/road you're looking for. So I certainly won't be paying £500 for this update. Not that I use satnav much; I'd rather get lost!
Eh? No it isn't, well not in rural suffolk it isn't... if you look at the map for (say) IP21 5nn, that covers an area about 10 miles across and 8 miles north to south!

http://www.doogal.co.uk/UKPostcodes.php?Search=IP2...

Edited by Diesel130 on Monday 1st October 14:10
It must be just where I deliver, sorry!
I was disappointed when I took my 997.2 out for its first trip out to a Porsche meeting at Prescott hill climb. The 5 figure postcode wanted to take me into Cheltenham city centre, some 5 miles past Prescott where I wanted to go. Pathetic. I use coordinates now which is fine with a bit of advance planning. Glad it wasn't me that paid the £3k option for it.

Before anyone says,I know it does a whole lot more than satnav but its poor at those things too, for example can't even play an MP3 album with the tracks in the correct order!

Ekona

771 posts

88 months

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Easier on a gen2 just to poke the screen to set a destination rather than faff around with coordinates I've found.

PGM

1,774 posts

135 months

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It is if you know where the location of the place you're going to.

Ekona

771 posts

88 months

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Post code search gets you close enough for that though wink

PGM

1,774 posts

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smile

mollytherocker

11,032 posts

95 months

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PGM said:
I was disappointed when I took my 997.2 out for its first trip out to a Porsche meeting at Prescott hill climb. The 5 figure postcode wanted to take me into Cheltenham city centre, some 5 miles past Prescott where I wanted to go. Pathetic. I use coordinates now which is fine with a bit of advance planning. Glad it wasn't me that paid the £3k option for it.

Before anyone says,I know it does a whole lot more than satnav but its poor at those things too, for example can't even play an MP3 album with the tracks in the correct order!
My flabber is gasted by this. Just unbelievable on a new Porsche! IT should be fine on a new Kia!!!!

MTR
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