will a water cooled 911 ever appreciate ?

[PH5121]

ras62 said:

While production numbers have increased I dont think you can call the aircooled cars rare. For example in 1991 Porsche produced nearly 22,000 964's and I guess in later years even more 993's, so production methods were hardly as archaic as suggested.
While Porsche certainly make more cars these days (about 120k last year) the number of 911 variants built will be broadly similar to those 10 or 20 years ago.

993 production figures (taken from the Porsche Club forum 993 section) are 70489 total production between 1994 and 1998.

Broken down per year as:1994 = 15039, 1995 = 18137, 1996 = 17093, 1997/98 = 16482

[cjb1]

sneaky schnell said:

hman said:

I've hankered after a 911 since young, however I recently spoke to a colleague who advised that as a drivers car its a bit "unique" compared to a modern day sports coupe.

Correct, and better for it

hman said:

...understeer then snap oversteer, and a few other handling traits which thankfully we've all moved on from.

Only if driven badly. You don't need to be a hero to drive an old 911 well. Just use common sense and be aware of the balance. It is one of the best things about the car and enjoyable at almost all speeds.

hman said:

He uses his every day but even so he reckons a kettle is a much nicer everyday car, I'm now looking at a kettle instead...

Form you own opinion before spending. There are too many inexperienced rumour mongers out there.

Here, here Sneaky, The early 911's were a handful there is no doubt but somehow they were incredibly succesful in motorsort and still win plenty in the various classic series still running today. I had a 73 911 T, yes it was querky but after time and a lot of respect I mastered it, I moved on to a 3.2 Carrera 3 years ago and found it to be more forgiving but still worth a watching, I've learned to drives this one quickly but again with respect. Lovely old cars but not for the faint hearted, a real drivers car devoid of driver aids (ABS, Traction Control, Active suspension etc).

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PH5121 said:

ras62 said:

While production numbers have increased I dont think you can call the aircooled cars rare. For example in 1991 Porsche produced nearly 22,000 964's and I guess in later years even more 993's, so production methods were hardly as archaic as suggested.
While Porsche certainly make more cars these days (about 120k last year) the number of 911 variants built will be broadly similar to those 10 or 20 years ago.

993 production figures (taken from the Porsche Club forum 993 section) are 70489 total production between 1994 and 1998.

Broken down per year as:1994 = 15039, 1995 = 18137, 1996 = 17093, 1997/98 = 16482

could you possibly reword this, Good Lord Sir it says "Porsche" and "broken down" in the same post!! that'll never do!

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anonymous said:

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Do they let you out on Sundays? The Sport Classic is an icon if not a little over priced though.

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PH5121 said:

993 production figures (taken from the Porsche Club forum 993 section) are 70489 total production between 1994 and 1998.

Broken down per year as:1994 = 15039, 1995 = 18137, 1996 = 17093, 1997/98 = 16482

Was the car that saved Porsche. Not only did the re-engineering broaden the appeal of the 911 (from a typically esoteric thus small customer base), but with Toyota's production methodologies in place Porsche could build them more efficiently.

The 996 was built in very much the same way, though I believe the 997 gave rise to further automation.

[Helicopter123]

I can see the 997 holding up in time, as it's such a pretty shape. Will fall for years yet though.

I'm just not sure about the 996 - on the one hand it's so cheap already and yet still a great drive, but good grief, it's hardly a looker and the interior is beyond dated, it's just naff.

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Helicopter123 said:

I can see the 997 holding up in time, as it's such a pretty shape. Will fall for years yet though.

I'm just not sure about the 996 - on the one hand it's so cheap already and yet still a great drive, but good grief, it's hardly a looker and the interior is beyond dated, it's just naff.

Yeah god damn ugly they are

[Helicopter123]

Crimp a Length! said:

Helicopter123 said:

I can see the 997 holding up in time, as it's such a pretty shape. Will fall for years yet though.

I'm just not sure about the 996 - on the one hand it's so cheap already and yet still a great drive, but good grief, it's hardly a looker and the interior is beyond dated, it's just naff.

Yeah god damn ugly they are

That's the back end of a GT2 - compare with the front end of a stock 996...

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Helicopter123 said:

Crimp a Length! said:

Helicopter123 said:

I can see the 997 holding up in time, as it's such a pretty shape. Will fall for years yet though.

I'm just not sure about the 996 - on the one hand it's so cheap already and yet still a great drive, but good grief, it's hardly a looker and the interior is beyond dated, it's just naff.

Yeah god damn ugly they are

That's the back end of a GT2 - compare with the front end of a stock 996...

Yeah and?
Doesn't the iconic 996 GT3 Mark 1 have the same front end as a stock 996, God they're fugly too, and never going to be a classic either.

[Steve Rance]

Yep. The driving experience is enjoyed from the inside. The posing experience on the other hand is best accompanied with shop windows.

I suppose it depends on which you prefer.

[Helicopter123]

Steve Rance said:

Yep. The driving experience is enjoyed from the inside. The posing experience on the other hand is best accompanied with shop windows.

I suppose it depends on which you prefer.

But we're not talking about driving experience, its about will the water cooled 911 ever appreciate?

For a car to appreciate it probably needs either to have motorsport heritage or become a style icon.

The e-type is a pig to drive, but its a looker.

I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see a huge following for the stock 996's developing over the years.

[BnB]

Crimp a Length! said:

Yeah god damn ugly they are

I love how much you adore your car and I definitely don't deny its special and exclusive appeal but I'm sorry that's just a messy looking vehicle to me. From the double wing to the ugliest OEM alloys Porsche has ever fitted.

[cjb1]

anonymous said:

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Your opinion is respected, and I'll go along with your C2 so long as it's an 'S', it's manual and not in seal grey ?

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Helicopter123 said:

But we're not talking about driving experience, its about will the water cooled 911 ever appreciate?

For a car to appreciate it probably needs either to have motorsport heritage or become a style icon.

The e-type is a pig to drive, but its a looker.

I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see a huge following for the stock 996's developing over the years.

You can buy a 997 for less than a 996. This cannot equate a small following

[itsybitsy]

if any w/c is going to hold up bar gt models i would say it would be the 9*7 gen2 series.these were built in smaller numbers than previous models and less than a 993(something to do with a credit crunch).they have the superior dfi engine which is now in the 9*1 cars and will be for the next 5-10 years.imho it is a better looking than the 9*1 cars which imho will fall to lower price than a 9*7.2

but who knows what will happen 20 years ago people would have laughed at you if you said a road going 1973 porsche would be changing hands for a quarter of a million!

[itsybitsy]

just to add it needs to be a manual as these on gen2 cars are rarer as eveything is pdk now.be nice if porsche gave us some numbers,bmw have a register why wont porsche?

[all2ofme]

I reckon my 996 GT3 Mk1 is quite fetching. There are some angles that I don't love it from, but others where I think it's one of the most horn-worthy cars ever.

This is one of them for me (apologies for crappy iPhone pic):


It also drives quite nicely and passes the shop-window-reflection test Steve mentioned. They needn't be mutually exclusive

Crimp a Length! said:

Yeah and?
Doesn't the iconic 996 GT3 Mark 1 have the same front end as a stock 996, God they're fugly too, and never going to be a classic either.

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all2ofme said:

I reckon my 996 GT3 Mk1 is quite fetching. There are some angles that I don't love it from, but others where I think it's one of the most horn-worthy cars ever.

This is one of them for me (apologies for crappy iPhone pic):


It also drives quite nicely and passes the shop-window-reflection test Steve mentioned. They needn't be mutually exclusive

Crimp a Length! said:

Yeah and?
Doesn't the iconic 996 GT3 Mark 1 have the same front end as a stock 996, God they're fugly too, and never going to be a classic either.

Looks lovely fella.
Especially in Yellow.

[ClassicCarMad]

BnB said:

Crimp a Length! said:

Yeah god damn ugly they are

I love how much you adore your car and I definitely don't deny its special and exclusive appeal but I'm sorry that's just a messy looking vehicle to me. From the double wing to the ugliest OEM alloys Porsche has ever fitted.

There's always one FFS!
That GT2 looks amazing, nothing wrong with the spoiler which serves a massive purpose in stopping the 200mph beast taking off, & the wheels fill the arches nicely
One of the most purposeful aggressive looking 911's ever.

[zero corrosion]

BnB said:

Crimp a Length! said:

Yeah god damn ugly they are

I love how much you adore your car and I definitely don't deny its special and exclusive appeal but I'm sorry that's just a messy looking vehicle to me. From the double wing to the ugliest OEM alloys Porsche has ever fitted.

Think you need to get to spec savers sir!
Maybe envy on your behalf?