will a water cooled 911 ever appreciate ?
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Point missed re: mk1 gt3, it's not that the car does not have its fans, it's Just that the visual appeal of the car is narrower than say, the gt2. The gt2 looks a fighter jet preparing for supersonic flight without being a bit naff (ala 96rs, 997 gen2 rs).
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Friday 12th October 11:50
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Friday 12th October 11:51
Helicopter123 said:
But we're not talking about driving experience, its about will the water cooled 911 ever appreciate?
For a car to appreciate it probably needs either to have motorsport heritage or become a style icon.
The e-type is a pig to drive, but its a looker.
I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see a huge following for the stock 996's developing over the years.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but just about every appreciating 911 is a RS, Clubsport or GT (993GT2) and the pinnacle of the pure driving experience available for Porsche to provide at the time of build. I believe - for the 911 - it is primarily the driving experience that defines the general perception of greatness. This combined with rarity will lead to appreciation or depreciation. For a car to appreciate it probably needs either to have motorsport heritage or become a style icon.
The e-type is a pig to drive, but its a looker.
I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see a huge following for the stock 996's developing over the years.
zero corrosion said:
Think you need to get to spec savers sir!
Maybe envy on your behalf?
Hardly. I just prefer something different to you and others. I bet it's a fabulous steer and I never suggested otherwise.Maybe envy on your behalf?
I, and this is my personal opinion, find those alloys truly awful. And I don't like a spoiler breaking the lines (though I understand the function). Don't be sensitive. I can feel the love... but it's just not coming from me.
GT Glee said:
all2ofme said:
See, the 996 does have a fan club
I'm the latest recruit to the MK1 fan club.
Ok, the headlights will always divide opinion and I'd be lying if I said it's my favourite front end ever, but set at the correct ride height, in a nice colour, I think they're ageing nicely.
Lovely car all2ofme.
Got to admit I'm a bit biased though and if mine wasn't a GT3, it wouldn't be in my posession.
It's also largely about the driving experience, as Mr Rance states, hence the MK1 does just fine in GT3 guise.
Funny these threads, we all go round and round spouting our opinions, until the thread fizzles out, then we do it all again a few weeks later. Good fun though watching how serious some people take it.
Will be good to look back in a few years time I'm sure.
nogsk said:
Yes, I think the pre facelift model is a particularly 'clean' design. Right colour, nice wheels, they're a bargain at present and I'm sure they won't get much cheaper and will appreciate.
One like this!
+1, and when you see them with a £9k price tag they look even better!!!!One like this!
nogsk said:
Yes, I think the pre facelift model is a particularly 'clean' design. Right colour, nice wheels, they're a bargain at present and I'm sure they won't get much cheaper and will appreciate.
One like this!
I agree, a great looking car for anyone not obsessed with round 911 headlights. The facelift 996 front is nice too in its own right. Porsche seem trapped with the round headlight theme these days, which is actually a bit sad. As good as it looks, I always thought the 997 was a backward step in styling and not really the direction Porsche were hoping the posing masses would accept. One like this!
anonymous said:
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Totally agree, looks lovely.Also interesting i don't think i've ever seen a formal test and the 996 lose always comes out on top. I like all porsches don't get me wrong but i have to say in terms of drive/composure/speed/handling at all speeds my 6T totally wastes the 993tt i own.
Going back on topic will water cooled porsche appreciate of cause they will, its just the air-cooled beards have an inferiority complex who don't like change.
996 will be design classic - may never be worth huge amounts (although the GT3 will appreciate without doubt) because of numbers produced, but values will become more solid in 5 - 10 years.
That's just my view of course!
They chose the 996 as Sally for Cars because they thought it was the prettiest of the 911s and a first gen, unmolested car is lovely. Much prefer the pre-facelift lights too.
That's just my view of course!
They chose the 996 as Sally for Cars because they thought it was the prettiest of the 911s and a first gen, unmolested car is lovely. Much prefer the pre-facelift lights too.
csmith319 said:
996 will be design classic - may never be worth huge amounts (although the GT3 will appreciate without doubt) because of numbers produced, but values will become more solid in 5 - 10 years.
That's just my view of course!
They chose the 996 as Sally for Cars because they thought it was the prettiest of the 911s and a first gen, unmolested car is lovely. Much prefer the pre-facelift lights too.
They made even less GT2'sThat's just my view of course!
They chose the 996 as Sally for Cars because they thought it was the prettiest of the 911s and a first gen, unmolested car is lovely. Much prefer the pre-facelift lights too.
I think that only anything produced in small numbers will have a chance of appreciation in the next 20 years, and then only as long as Porsche don't keep introducing a newer version every 2 or 3 years! For this reason, I don't think the GT3's will appreciate for a very long time as there will always be a younger, faster version available.
The air-cooled RS's, Turbos etc were made in very small numbers, and varied little whilst in production so the age of say a 964 or 993 is not a big factor in which one to buy.
If you want a GT3, well you have several versions from several years of production to choose from, or just wait until the next, faster version is available.
The 997 speedster and sport classic's will probably appreciate in years to come due to the tiny numbers produced, and some water-cooled cars will certainly depreciate alot less than others, namely the GT's and RS's, possibly to the point where they level out and stabilise in price as good ones become harder to find.
Oh, and I'd make sure it's a manual one too!
But I know Feck All!!
The air-cooled RS's, Turbos etc were made in very small numbers, and varied little whilst in production so the age of say a 964 or 993 is not a big factor in which one to buy.
If you want a GT3, well you have several versions from several years of production to choose from, or just wait until the next, faster version is available.
The 997 speedster and sport classic's will probably appreciate in years to come due to the tiny numbers produced, and some water-cooled cars will certainly depreciate alot less than others, namely the GT's and RS's, possibly to the point where they level out and stabilise in price as good ones become harder to find.
Oh, and I'd make sure it's a manual one too!
But I know Feck All!!
Edited by Sifly on Friday 12th October 19:14
Great thread ! I'm finding myself drawn to the looks of a 996 c2 too ! I guess the one thing you can't ignore is the quantity these were produced in vs the air cooled cars, so that will impact future value , to some degree it is a lottery on what you might have to spend, get lucky and choose one on which the engine doesn't go and I'd have thought they won't loose loads of value and might be reasonable to run.
Appreciation vs depreciation vs overall running costs........
Appreciation vs depreciation vs overall running costs........
pork911 said:
vanilla 996 won't appreciate, will stick at 10k for a fair while though
totally disagree although i am not a fan of the 996 i prefer the 997you try and find a late vanilla 996 with a good service history and low miles/ownership for 10k more like 15k.also as time goes by and more engines go bang and cars are broken up there will be even less decent late manual 996c2 and so imho prices will remain strong for those cars and that cars which are dogs prices will tumble.
there are a couple of good 2003 cars at 18/19k
Edited by itsybitsy on Saturday 13th October 11:50
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