991 GT3 - latest pics
Discussion
Dr S said:
fioran0 said:
Steve has covered most of anything I would have added ref the engines.
£45k and £19k are the current retail prices on a mezger and 9a1 engine without core exchange.
The point of posting was just to offer an alternative view on why Porsche may be so keen to phase it out ala 997 turbo.
There's very little margin on the GT3 even with its higher sale price while good margin on say a C2 despite its lower sale price and it's entirely due to the engine. The rest of the costs to build and deliver are very close between the two.
This is the source of Porsches complaint over the GT3 line.
It would be reasonable thus to assume that the sale price differential in no way covers the difference in engine cost price to Porsche. If it did then margin would be as good or better.
Despite making the engine for some years there's just no way to cut its cost. The components inside are expensive and there's no way around it if you want to make something of that quality.
All of this has sidetracked from what was a pretty interesting read on what folks were thinking over the upcoming car. It was all very sensible for a while
+1 that's why the GT3s offered such increadible value for money£45k and £19k are the current retail prices on a mezger and 9a1 engine without core exchange.
The point of posting was just to offer an alternative view on why Porsche may be so keen to phase it out ala 997 turbo.
There's very little margin on the GT3 even with its higher sale price while good margin on say a C2 despite its lower sale price and it's entirely due to the engine. The rest of the costs to build and deliver are very close between the two.
This is the source of Porsches complaint over the GT3 line.
It would be reasonable thus to assume that the sale price differential in no way covers the difference in engine cost price to Porsche. If it did then margin would be as good or better.
Despite making the engine for some years there's just no way to cut its cost. The components inside are expensive and there's no way around it if you want to make something of that quality.
All of this has sidetracked from what was a pretty interesting read on what folks were thinking over the upcoming car. It was all very sensible for a while
- Except I won't be I'll be driving a manual something else!
fioran0 said:
What we have all missed is what fancy name they will use for the rumble pads in the steering wheel.
A titanium pankl conrod bolt as first prize to the best answer*
Porsche Instant Steering / Suspension Track Adjusted Knock EnhancementA titanium pankl conrod bolt as first prize to the best answer*
- used only
Otherwise known as PISSTAKE on the options form... or maybe that will just the the price.
fioran0 said:
What we have all missed is what fancy name they will use for the rumble pads in the steering wheel option.
A titanium pankl conrod bolt as first prize to the best answer*
Porsche Electronic Replacement for Manual... `PERM` for those that dont/cant do changing gears... A titanium pankl conrod bolt as first prize to the best answer*
- used only
Edited by fioran0 on Friday 12th October 17:46
Some of you are deluded, most of the newer gt3s in the classifieds are sub 2000 miles, driven by clueless owners and never see the track. Just because the cars are manual you pretend there is an elite set of drivers in the club and going pdk somehow changes that - wake up call needed!
Carl_Docklands said:
Some of you are deluded, most of the newer gt3s in the classifieds are sub 2000 miles, driven by clueless owners and never see the track. Just because the cars are manual you pretend there is an elite set of drivers in the club and going pdk somehow changes that - wake up call needed!
That is totally offensive - I'll have you know that mine has 4,600 miles on it. And it's been on track!Does that make me an elite driver
Old Trout said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Some of you are deluded, most of the newer gt3s in the classifieds are sub 2000 miles, driven by clueless owners and never see the track. Just because the cars are manual you pretend there is an elite set of drivers in the club and going pdk somehow changes that - wake up call needed!
That is totally realistic - I'll have you know that mine is 3 years old has 4,600 miles on it. And it's been on track once!Does that make me an elite driver
Edited by Mermaid on Friday 12th October 19:28
Dblue said:
Are you really seeing that as a direct choice?
Not sure many will be able to ignore the £60-70k difference in price. If the new GT3 is c.£105-110k then even a used Italia is miles apart. And I'm not sure they are directly comparable anyway. The Italia is a more exotic less usable thing in most ways even though it's theoretically the "soft" version with the CS/Scuderia/? version yet to appear ( At well over £200k surely )
Not sure many will be able to ignore the £60-70k difference in price. If the new GT3 is c.£105-110k then even a used Italia is miles apart. And I'm not sure they are directly comparable anyway. The Italia is a more exotic less usable thing in most ways even though it's theoretically the "soft" version with the CS/Scuderia/? version yet to appear ( At well over £200k surely )
I Hadn't thought of that you are right. Porsche - especially the RS's and Gt cars have been such a constant thorn in Ferrari's side that I Didn't give thought to the cost issue. In some ways perhaps that's even worse because they may run the risk of the 991 being considered the 'poor man's Ferrari'. I really hope that I'm wrong.
Old Trout said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Some of you are deluded, most of the newer gt3s in the classifieds are sub 2000 miles, driven by clueless owners and never see the track. Just because the cars are manual you pretend there is an elite set of drivers in the club and going pdk somehow changes that - wake up call needed!
That is totally offensive - I'll have you know that mine has 4,600 miles on it. And it's been on track!Does that make me an elite driver
Allow me to write a parallel which refines my point. You are more likely to see these cars doing 10mph in the hands of peeps who just want the latest thing rather than gunning it at Brands. In this respect, PDK does not change the customer base massively like some people are suggesting - the noobs are already here and they are out there (probably right now), driving around in their RS 3.8, in first gear and trying to look cool. Once the newer car comes out, they will be dropped onto the used market, not even run in.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Friday 12th October 21:16
Carl_Docklands said:
pistonhead members excluded from my point
Allow me to write a parallel which refines my point. You are more likely to see these cars doing 10mph in the hands of peeps who just want the latest thing rather than gunning it at Brands. In this respect, PDK does not change the customer base massively like some people are suggesting - the noobs are already here and they are out there (probably right now), driving around in their RS 3.8, in first gear and trying to look cool. Once the newer car comes out, they will be dropped onto the used market, not even run in.
That can't be true, surely. I mean you'd have to be an idiot to buy a car such as this just to pootle about in town in, there are so many cars better suited to this purpose that also have kudos and posing power. Why would you choose to buy a car so unsuited to the task?Allow me to write a parallel which refines my point. You are more likely to see these cars doing 10mph in the hands of peeps who just want the latest thing rather than gunning it at Brands. In this respect, PDK does not change the customer base massively like some people are suggesting - the noobs are already here and they are out there (probably right now), driving around in their RS 3.8, in first gear and trying to look cool. Once the newer car comes out, they will be dropped onto the used market, not even run in.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Friday 12th October 21:16
J-P said:
That can't be true, surely. I mean you'd have to be an idiot to buy a car such as this just to pootle about in town in, there are so many cars better suited to this purpose that also have kudos and posing power. Why would you choose to buy a car so unsuited to the task?
People buy the wrong cars every day due to being influenced by other factors such as image and status.Bigger wheels and up rated suspension is a common mistake people make, thinking they are 'better' without understanding what they really want.
MTR
mollytherocker said:
J-P said:
That can't be true, surely. I mean you'd have to be an idiot to buy a car such as this just to pootle about in town in, there are so many cars better suited to this purpose that also have kudos and posing power. Why would you choose to buy a car so unsuited to the task?
People buy the wrong cars every day due to being influenced by other factors such as image and status.Bigger wheels and up rated suspension is a common mistake people make, thinking they are 'better' without understanding what they really want.
MTR
Steve Rance said:
spareparts said:
But first and foremost, the GT3 is about going fast on track. And on track, if you want to be fast, you also want the car stable. PDK helps make the car both fast and stable. If Porsche did not offer PDK on the GT3, I would question whether Porsche were being true to the ethos of the GT3.
That's an interesting viewpoint. I see a GT3 as a pure undiluted driving tool. I fear that the agenda has changed somewhat and now it's focussing on a lower target and more's the pity as far as I am concerned!Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff