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spareparts said:
But first and foremost, the GT3 is about going fast on track. And on track, if you want to be fast, you also want the car stable. PDK helps make the car both fast and stable. If Porsche did not offer PDK on the GT3, I would question whether Porsche were being true to the ethos of the GT3.
That's an interesting viewpoint. I see a GT3 as a pure undiluted driving tool. I fear that the agenda has changed somewhat and now it's focussing on a lower target and more's the pity as far as I am concerned! I'll stick to my boring old 993RSR and my 996RS. Far more fun as a driving experience than most of the racing cars that I've been strapped into over the years, although just as challenging and rewarding.
Steve Rance said:
That's an interesting viewpoint. I see a GT3 as a pure undiluted driving tool. I fear that the agenda has changed somewhat and now it's focussing on a lower target and more's the pity as far as I am concerned!
I'll stick to my boring old 993RSR and my 996RS. Far more fun as a driving experience than most of the racing cars that I've been strapped into over the years, although just as challenging and rewarding.
Wouldn't you see it as a logical use of contemporary technology in the way that all Porsche GT/RS cars have always done.I'll stick to my boring old 993RSR and my 996RS. Far more fun as a driving experience than most of the racing cars that I've been strapped into over the years, although just as challenging and rewarding.
They can't ignore progress even if we don't all agree it's better or we'd still have drum brakes and 4 speed boxes and carbs.
Doesn't mean the latest is always the greatest but Porsche have always understood what makes a great drivers car. I
Steve Rance said:
spareparts said:
But first and foremost, the GT3 is about going fast on track. And on track, if you want to be fast, you also want the car stable. PDK helps make the car both fast and stable. If Porsche did not offer PDK on the GT3, I would question whether Porsche were being true to the ethos of the GT3.
That's an interesting viewpoint. I see a GT3 as a pure undiluted driving tool. I fear that the agenda has changed somewhat and now it's focussing on a lower target and more's the pity as far as I am concerned! I'll stick to my boring old 993RSR and my 996RS. Far more fun as a driving experience than most of the racing cars that I've been strapped into over the years, although just as challenging and rewarding.
I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that the GT3 may be following the path of the "911" and becoming a car that is softer, easier to drive and less hardcore than before. The 911 has gradually been tuned into a car that can be driven fast and in comfort by a far wider range of drivers than before. It has all the toys and gizmos that you could ask for with a security net that will save most people from most of their errors or over-enthusiams
The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
peralta said:
I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that the GT3 may be following the path of the "911" and becoming a car that is softer, easier to drive and less hardcore than before. The 911 has gradually been tuned into a car that can be driven fast and in comfort by a far wider range of drivers than before. It has all the toys and gizmos that you could ask for with a security net that will save most people from most of their errors or over-enthusiams
The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
I share your sentiment to the letter. Not to be the harbinger of doom on such matters, but there's little I've seen so far about the 991 GT3 that gets me excited.The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
Rather, I see it as another factor improving 997 residuals long term.
The replacement engine will have no Motorsport links and will have to earn the respect of race teams. The Mezger leaves some pretty big shoes to fill!
peralta said:
I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that the GT3 may be following the path of the "911" and becoming a car that is softer, easier to drive and less hardcore than before. The 911 has gradually been tuned into a car that can be driven fast and in comfort by a far wider range of drivers than before. It has all the toys and gizmos that you could ask for with a security net that will save most people from most of their errors or over-enthusiams
The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
I absolutely see what your getting at but it seems they aren't really aiming at making more GT car sales as numbers in each generation remain similar and limited. Instead it is very much the halo car that reflects onto the lesser models. It also serves as the basis of competitive production based race cars.The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
Each generation gets better as a road car, 993RS-996GT3- 96 mk2, 997 gen1, 997 gen2. A logical progression
peralta said:
I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that the GT3 may be following the path of the "911" and becoming a car that is softer, easier to drive and less hardcore than before. The 911 has gradually been tuned into a car that can be driven fast and in comfort by a far wider range of drivers than before. It has all the toys and gizmos that you could ask for with a security net that will save most people from most of their errors or over-enthusiams
The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
Just because something is good does not mean it cannot be surpassed. The old engine has had its day, time to move on.The GT3 was never a car for the average sports car buyer BUT look what a halo model I has becme and how these columns are full of people who would love to own one . Porsche management isn't stupid and they are there to sell more cars and make more profit. If, by softening the GT3 they open I up to a wider audience, they will sell more, and remember hat this is a premium price product.
Interestingly, all everyone seems to be asking about is manual/PDK gearboxes and there is virtually no talk about the biggest change of all to the GT3 - the engine. We are going to lose one of the most amazing road car engines of all time and yet it seems to have been forgotten about. I don't want a PDK box but if that's all there is then so be it, but I there is no Mezger engine and we are just going to get a tweaked version of the 991S engine then I'm pretty sure that I don't want a new GT3 at all
I'm lucky enough to own a 997.2 GT3 and at the moment it's a keeper until it either wears out or it wears me out.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it's not looking good so far......
One things for sure Ferrari, Nissan, Chevrolet will not be hampered by baggage like this, they will build the fastest car they can and damn the past.
I guess we need to consider why Porsche felt the need to use the GT1 'Mezger' block in the 996 & 997 GT3 as opposed to their new M96 engine. I think we all know.
The question is, do they need a different engine in the 991GT3? Is there anything wrong with the DFI?
The only way to answer that is to win the GTE class at Le Mans with a 991 GT3 RSR with the DFI.
MTR
The question is, do they need a different engine in the 991GT3? Is there anything wrong with the DFI?
The only way to answer that is to win the GTE class at Le Mans with a 991 GT3 RSR with the DFI.
MTR
Do they need? Yes. The Mezger-powered RSR has become uncompetitive and fallen behind the stronger Ferraris in recent years. Progress is progress.
The Mezger GT1 engine was developed in a time of austere times for Porsche during the late 90s. Cost cutting was evident in the last R-chassis 993s as an example. But it was strong enough to win in 96 and 98.
But it is now 2012 last time I checked, and technology had moved on in 14 years. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses! Porsche can do better than Mezger.
The Mezger GT1 engine was developed in a time of austere times for Porsche during the late 90s. Cost cutting was evident in the last R-chassis 993s as an example. But it was strong enough to win in 96 and 98.
But it is now 2012 last time I checked, and technology had moved on in 14 years. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses! Porsche can do better than Mezger.
spareparts said:
Do they need? Yes. The Mezger-powered RSR has become uncompetitive and fallen behind the stronger Ferraris in recent years. Progress is progress.
The Mezger GT1 engine was developed in a time of austere times for Porsche during the late 90s. Cost cutting was evident in the last R-chassis 993s as an example. But it was strong enough to win in 96 and 98.
But it is now 2012 last time I checked, and technology had moved on in 14 years. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses! Porsche can do better than Mezger.
Think the reason why Porsche have been uncompetitive is more to do with less cylinders not the mezger engineThe Mezger GT1 engine was developed in a time of austere times for Porsche during the late 90s. Cost cutting was evident in the last R-chassis 993s as an example. But it was strong enough to win in 96 and 98.
But it is now 2012 last time I checked, and technology had moved on in 14 years. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses! Porsche can do better than Mezger.
Dblue said:
Wouldn't you see it as a logical use of contemporary technology in the way that all Porsche GT/RS cars have always done.
They can't ignore progress even if we don't all agree it's better or we'd still have drum brakes and 4 speed boxes and carbs.
Doesn't mean the latest is always the greatest but Porsche have always understood what makes a great drivers car. I
I get your point but I just don't enjoy driving cars that don't allow heal toe and have any kind of electronic driving aids other than ABS. It may be technical progress but its a dull driving experience.They can't ignore progress even if we don't all agree it's better or we'd still have drum brakes and 4 speed boxes and carbs.
Doesn't mean the latest is always the greatest but Porsche have always understood what makes a great drivers car. I
spareparts said:
Well, the GT3 was originally invented/born as a homologation car for Porsche to go race, so its roots are definitely in seeking the chequered flag. It was about racing first, road car second... not really about having 'fun'. 'RS' is just the consumer marketing arm of true 'RSR' and Porsche will milk every penny it can from convincing buyers that the GT3 / RS brand is about having 'fun'. Truth is that each generation of the GT3 has gotten faster and faster, to the point that you struggle to really have fun on the road in the latest GT3 on the road... in the mind, yes, but as a driving experience... you really need to load up the chassis on track and drive at speeds which would otherwise endanger yourself and others on the public road. And on the road, the Turbo is just quicker. Everywhere. The GT3 is compromised for the road. Great Porsche marketing.
+1 I want one simply for the on track performance as well.There'll always be a place for the manual but it seems to be slipping away from the 911 to the boxster/cayman cars. Arguably, the basic 911 with the manual and the passive dampers is the last true fun road car. I know , that's a whole nother story.
Steve Rance said:
I get your point but I just don't enjoy driving cars that don't allow heal toe and have any kind of electronic driving aids other than ABS. It may be technical progress but its a dull driving experience.
every journalist I have read agrees with you as well but that's why mags are more than numbers. However, is there anything in motorsport to suggest that it is anything but the optimisation of speed in every situation? [/quote]
The replacement engine will have no Motorsport links and will have to earn the respect of race teams. The Mezger leaves some pretty big shoes to fill!
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Not so, the DFi unit is already in Motorsport service in the US and doing well.
As a solid, modern, reliable, clean unit it's already delivering around 400 bhp in 3.8 guise - must be potential to tune this up quite nicely for the GT3?
spareparts said:
But it is now 2012 last time I checked, and technology had moved on in 14 years. Time to take off the rose tinted glasses! Porsche can do better than Mezger.
It what way do you believe the GT1 derived unit will be improved upon with the all new DFI from the CS 3.8? The GT1 is strong enough, breathes enough, reliable enough 
Are you saying the 3.8 DFI is race worthy, i.e. 24hr endurance?
HokumPokum said:
every journalist I have read agrees with you as well but that's why mags are more than numbers. However, is there anything in motorsport to suggest that it is anything but the optimisation of speed in every situation?
I think that this is the hub of everything. The buzz of racing is the racing. You guys need to decide what you want from your cars, involvement or ultimate pace for pace sake. I kept my 996rs because it was more fun to drive that the 997cup that I was racing. If I was racing, I'd obviously take the cup car, if I want to experience maximum driving fun, I'll take the 996 all day long Modern technology can mask a poor driver and produce very fast cars but they will not be involving or rewarding. Be careful what you wish for.
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