991 GT3 - latest pics
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The modern line of Porsche GT cars, including the RS line from the 997 onwards are very usable daily and also on track. There is probabaly no one single type of owner, look at me, I do long drives, maybe 2 track days a year, and pleasure driving in mine. They are just so much an all round great sports car. This is what Porsche needs to be doing with the new 991 GT line, we will wait and see over the next few months. I have no doubt it will be a good % faster but it must also be a better sports car.
majordad said:
The modern line of Porsche GT cars, including the RS line from the 997 onwards are very usable daily and also on track. There is probabaly no one single type of owner, look at me, I do long drives, maybe 2 track days a year, and pleasure driving in mine. They are just so much an all round great sports car. This is what Porsche needs to be doing with the new 991 GT line, we will wait and see over the next few months. I have no doubt it will be a good % faster but it must also be a better sports car.
Have to agree with this. They are certainly more adept on a track than any rival but the vast majority of miles they do are on the road.The essence of the cars means they are owned by a higher percentage of real enthusiasts than V8 Ferraris I would say and certainly V12 Ferraris. Rather less posing going on, rather less buying the latest trinket on the whole. Porsche after all have the Turbo to compete there.
Going to PDK doesnt mean its "less" of a drivers tool IMO. Just a more modern spec. Cars like the Italia and Superleggera or 599GTO couldn't honestly be described as lacking sporting credentials.
But, I have to agree it's a shame that the pleasure derived from pedalling a clutch and lever is to be no more.
Edited by Dblue on Saturday 13th October 16:27
OlberJ said:
If it has a tweaked vanilla engine and is built at the same place, with the same processes will they even be GTx cars?
I see it's been a big thing for Porsche before but does it suit them to have a different range for what is simply a spicier 991?
I would hardly call the DFI engine a vanilla lump - it's already being used in competition with success.I see it's been a big thing for Porsche before but does it suit them to have a different range for what is simply a spicier 991?
GTx denotes the series the cars were homologated for racing in surely. The fact they used a different engine was purely down to that process. Likely so they could use the race blocks in the race cars as the road engines of the time were not deemed suitable/strong enough. If the 991 race cars are running engines based on the new lump then that's what will be in the road car. They are not going to use a substandard engine for racing.
Helicopter123 said:
I would hardly call the DFI engine a vanilla lump - it's already being used in competition with success.
I assume you mean the success in the grand am continental tyre sports car challenge series?That doesn't mark the engine out as anything special yet (though those guys efforts certainly were). M96/M97 has won there too.
9A1 may turn out to be special in some form or other but it will need the factory racing program and a higher level to show it.
Edited by fioran0 on Saturday 13th October 20:15
juansolo said:
GTx denotes the series the cars were homologated for racing in surely. The fact they used a different engine was purely down to that process. Likely so they could use the race blocks in the race cars as the road engines of the time were not deemed suitable/strong enough. If the 991 race cars are running engines based on the new lump then that's what will be in the road car. They are not going to use a substandard engine for racing.
what if the 991 race cars do not use engines based on the new lump while the street car changes? Where does that leave the GT3 name? What if its less overt, say race engine is properly dry sumped and street one is integrated? How will this divide people?
Maybe we will all have been thrown the best fake in the history of motoring and there's an 8cyl 9A1 about to drop for both street GT3 and race program.
For all the test mules being left around for people to "spy" no one has bothered to get down on the ground and photograph the engine case. Why?
(I suspect sadly because everyone here is in a minority and most folk want to see the bling)
Edited by fioran0 on Saturday 13th October 20:20
fioran0 said:
Maybe we will all have been thrown the best fake in the history of motoring and there's an 8cyl 9A1 about to drop for both street GT3 and race program.
For all the test mules being left around for people to "spy" no one has bothered to get down on the ground and photograph the engine case. Why?
Doesn't sound like an 8cyl, but at 0.38s, this isn't the regular sweet sounding 9A1 that you lot fear (ie sounds a bit lumpy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B345VCHo7XA&lis...For all the test mules being left around for people to "spy" no one has bothered to get down on the ground and photograph the engine case. Why?
Please tell me i'm onto something, and it's not the beer talking
Edited by Phooey on Saturday 13th October 20:31
fioran0 said:
Maybe we will all have been thrown the best fake in the history of motoring and there's an 8cyl 9A1 about to drop for both street GT3 and race program.
I guess it is possible. It has certainly been mooted before from various sources and I believe that Porsche do indeed think they need an 8 to compete with the Ferraris in GT racing.Edited by fioran0 on Saturday 13th October 20:20
It would be awesome would it not?!
MTR
mollytherocker said:
fioran0 said:
Maybe we will all have been thrown the best fake in the history of motoring and there's an 8cyl 9A1 about to drop for both street GT3 and race program.
I guess it is possible. It has certainly been mooted before from various sources and I believe that Porsche do indeed think they need an 8 to compete with the Ferraris in GT racing.Edited by fioran0 on Saturday 13th October 20:20
It would be awesome would it not?!
MTR
juansolo said:
Personally I'd prefer them to finally accept the fact that the engine works better in the middle. But they'll not do it for exactly the same reason they won't put in a V8 (it'd make much more sense for it to be a V than a boxer); the 911 is Porsche's (current) racing platform, end of. A 911 is defined by it being rear engined and having a flat 6. Other than protos, nothing's going to change because the purists wouldn't accept it.
If a v8 mid engine is more competitive going forward then Porsche need to design a new car as that would not be a 911.In many ways the 911 must be a heavy weight to carry but Porsche without the 911 would be suicidal. The Porsche brand pivots around the 911, for me, it is everything. Without it, they fall. Don't get me wrong, I love some of the other models too, but without the 911, their is no heart, no reference point, no DNA.
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