991 GT3 - latest pics

991 GT3 - latest pics

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cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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GT Glee said:
+ centre outlets which is gt3 thing.

Interior not very racy (or even sporty) with the automatic transmission selector and large display screen.

Not a gt3 as we know it, but porsche know their market.
Not so sure ,not many new buyers here it seems. Perhaps it aimed at black series customers!

DMC2

1,828 posts

210 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Phooey said:
surprised at the anti-automatic comments. Do 458, 599 GTO, MP14 etc etc owners feel they are being robbed of the stick too ?


Porsche have to drop the third pedal or they will be left in the dark. PDK works, and extremely well too.
Most of them can't drive properly though wink

Old Trout

1,667 posts

174 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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DMC2 said:
Phooey said:
surprised at the anti-automatic comments. Do 458, 599 GTO, MP14 etc etc owners feel they are being robbed of the stick too ?


Porsche have to drop the third pedal or they will be left in the dark. PDK works, and extremely well too.
Most of them can't drive properly either wink
EFA wink

JackP1

1,269 posts

161 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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The back end reminds me of darth vader

SPS

1,306 posts

259 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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GT Glee said:
+ centre outlets which is gt3 thing.

Interior not very racy (or even sporty) with the automatic transmission selector and large display screen.

Not a gt3 as we know it, but Porsche know their market.
Yes they do - But....
Remember the 928 saga - they can and do get it wrong now and again!
I'm just not sure about auto/tip in a GT3 and the smiley face as you look at the front end!!!
Anyway I'm sure it will be a fantastic driving machine as usual!
Steve

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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GT Glee said:
I cannot believe for one minute this jumped up forgery is going to homologate anything, so to call it a GT3 is a bleedin' travesty.. Please Mr Porsche, leave the electronic gizmo-overload and fancy-but-lifeless transmissions to the Turbos and keep the GT3 pure.
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SD 80

11 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Will it be PDK only or manual still available?

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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SD 80 said:
Will it be PDK only or manual still available?
I think they will be crazy not to offer both.

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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I think the manual is dead. The PDK transmission is so good why does a manual make sense on track? on the road it prolly does but if you extricate enough performance out of the car, you are already way over the speed limit in a manual. Instead a PDK Gt3 that allows one to drive sensibly on the road and give the required speed on track should be a no-brainer.

On track, the speed brings focus and excitement and challenge. I dun see any of that diminishing unless you are not driving properly or fast enough.

long live the new king........PDK

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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HokumPokum said:
I think the manual is dead. The PDK transmission is so good why does a manual make sense on track? on the road it prolly does but if you extricate enough performance out of the car, you are already way over the speed limit in a manual. Instead a PDK Gt3 that allows one to drive sensibly on the road and give the required speed on track should be a no-brainer.

On track, the speed brings focus and excitement and challenge. I dun see any of that diminishing unless you are not driving properly or fast enough.

long live the new king........PDK
The only sentence I agree with is your first one.

Sadly, the great majority of new car buyers have your view. They don't want mechanical interaction, they want layers of electronics to do it for them.

Mtr

JEA1K

2,485 posts

222 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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The manual gearbox is dead, forget about it, move on ... the game has changed.

If you're in mourning, maybe do the same as this bloke did? biggrin


mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Grow a beard?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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mollytherocker said:
SD 80 said:
Will it be PDK only or manual still available?
I think they will be crazy not to offer both.
But how many GT3 buyers would really buy the slower "old school" manual? Ferrari have no demand for a manual.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Helicopter123 said:
mollytherocker said:
SD 80 said:
Will it be PDK only or manual still available?
I think they will be crazy not to offer both.
But how many GT3 buyers would really buy the slower "old school" manual? Ferrari have no demand for a manual.
I honestly don't know, but Porsche will.

Surely it is much more than the other less driver orientated models!

Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Flat shift sequentials (not PDF) are fine in racing cars. It's quicker on a lap By about a second over a h pattern and if it helps me to win that's fine with me. Porsche probably will stick to a PDK in the new GT3 because it gives the option of shorter gearing and more gears which is all important ( along with a host of electronic driving aids) in the utterly pointless holy grail (in my humble opinion) of a quick ring time. Strap me in a Racing car with the right bits on it and I win you a race. In racing, my buzz has always been the win. All racing drivers are the same. On the road and on track days my buzz is in the engagement and pure fun of the drive. In a road car or trackday car, give me a manual every time.


Dblue

3,252 posts

199 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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mollytherocker said:
The only sentence I agree with is your first one.

Sadly, the great majority of new car buyers have your view. They don't want mechanical interaction, they want layers of electronics to do it for them.

Mtr
There is a lot of difference between an automatic and a paddle shift manual like a PDK. The "interaction" still exists in a modified form. Instead of dipping and re-engaging the clutch, up and down changes are lightning fast with a perfect blip on down changes to boot. Its not remotely like the auto box experience of old and has lots going for it.
Personally I found the PDK with those silly b...y thumb levers in a 991 C2S a little unemotional. Proper paddles and a little play with the software should result in something closer to the box in a GTR which is a fantastic , thrilling companion when you're going for it.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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mollytherocker said:
Helicopter123 said:
mollytherocker said:
SD 80 said:
Will it be PDK only or manual still available?
I think they will be crazy not to offer both.
But how many GT3 buyers would really buy the slower "old school" manual? Ferrari have no demand for a manual.
I honestly don't know, but Porsche will.

Surely it is much more than the other less driver orientated models!
I'm sure they know and it can't be many or else they would offer the manual shift.

Maybe they will change the software on the PDK to make it even sharper for the GT3?

991fan

245 posts

160 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Thats not the normal PDK, I reckon it could be the sequential box thats been rumoured.

DMC2

1,828 posts

210 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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I have had my name down for a 991 GT3 for about two and a half years. Will I buy one if it is PDK only? I really can't decide yet.

For everybody who will cut me down and say 'paddle boxes are the future blah blah' let me say this, the GT3 is no longer a track orientated car. It is the car all 911s should be, an everyday sports car. I'm using my current one everyday and in no way is it a compromise, it is a sports car. If you want a track car buy a Caterham. Much more fun, quicker round a track and much cheaper to run.

The problem with modern sports cars is that they are unbelievable quick and capable, and a paddle box makes life even easier. At least with a manual you can play around, heel and toe and generally be a bit more involved. I'm not really interested if the new GT3 is .4 seconds blah blah quicker with paddles, 98% of people who buy them can't get more than 60% of the capability out of the car anyway. I just sold a Scuderia, it made a great noise (although a bit obnoxious around town) but was pretty non-involving unless you were going above 85% of the cars capability, which was far too quick for the road. A manual GT3 is fun to drive at almost any speed.

Porsche, please give the next GT3 a manual option.

A lot of people will disagree with me and say that all other cars are paddles now (McLaren, Ferrari etc.), but frankly most of them are boring to drive and made for posers who like to pretend they can drive quickly (when was the last time you so somebody in a Ferrari who could really drive?). I've tried some of them, and come back to a GT3. Most probably for the foreseeable future.

Rant over. I've had a bad day at work. Needed to let of steam smile

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Dblue

3,252 posts

199 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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mollytherocker said:
I honestly don't know, but Porsche will.

Surely it is much more than the other less driver orientated models!
The Ferrari experience suggests that even hardcore models get almost no manual take up when buyers are offered both.