Thoughts on this early 911
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bqf said:
Blimey - some strong views here.
Lets not forget - this is a matching numbers 1975 'S', with some tasteful and driving-value add mods. a 72 S will set you back twice that (there was one at The Hairpin Co. a while back for £85,000).
If you want a car to drive, and look/feel like the dogs whatnots in, this is ace. Paul Stephens puts many hours into these things and lets be fair, it looks terrific.
If you're viewing it as an investment, don't. Buy an earlier 's' at double the price and store it.
If you want a £40,000 car to drive, properly drive, as a daily, it makes terrific sense. I'd rather have this than a 2 year old M3.
If the interior was period I'd agree. But the 2.7 engine is crap too and this thing has a modern interior. If the OP wanted an everday driver, surely he'd buy a 3.2 or SC?...Paul has (had?) an ex hairpin SC that featured in Evo at the £20k mark. That's a nice car.Lets not forget - this is a matching numbers 1975 'S', with some tasteful and driving-value add mods. a 72 S will set you back twice that (there was one at The Hairpin Co. a while back for £85,000).
If you want a car to drive, and look/feel like the dogs whatnots in, this is ace. Paul Stephens puts many hours into these things and lets be fair, it looks terrific.
If you're viewing it as an investment, don't. Buy an earlier 's' at double the price and store it.
If you want a £40,000 car to drive, properly drive, as a daily, it makes terrific sense. I'd rather have this than a 2 year old M3.
Paul has a couple of pre impacts that are not so nice as this re body but more original and I'd say better VFM. Not all of them were advertised the last time I visited their place. AS to lhd - buy on condition all the time. Even a 2.4T is a nice thing and as someone else said, performance is irrelevant really.
cuse92 said:
Only a few anorak types on these internet forae can tell the difference,
That's an insult to anyone who can't spot a pair of modern seats in an old car. I'd wager that if I showed the interior of that car to 10 people, they'd all wonder why the seats looked so modern in a 40 year old car....
Wozy68 said:
Nope. If memory serves, you could get an early IB 2.7 Carrera though, that used the RS engine.
Yes, only the 1974/75 2.7 Carrera had the same 210 hp 2.7 RS engine. The 2.7S was considerably less exciting with 185 hp (a tad less than the 190 hp 2.4S it replaced). There was also a non-S 2.7 in the line up with even less power. The 2.7S has never had anywhere near the cult following of either the earlier IB 2.7 Carrera or pre-IB 2.4S and was widely seen as a backward step in the 911 evolution. Possibly a bit unfair, but not something I'd want to sink £40K into today. Especially one that's been fashionably backdated.I agree with those who say consider a later SC or 3.2 Carrera. They are more readily available and for much more sensible money today. I went from a '73 2.4S to an '82 3.0 SC and the latter car is actually better in many respects, although the earlier car is undeniably prettier. If you really want the pre-impact bumper look above all else then a backdated 3.2 Carrera, SC or 964 makes more practical sense than a backdated 2.7S and will be a faster more capable car. If you want both originality and pre-impact bumper looks then a 2.4E or T is probably the answer. I've lost track of current values, but I'm surprised someone said a 2.4E is out of reach at £40K.
Another car to consider at well under £40K is the '76/77 3.0 Carrera. Personally I think the later SC is better value (virtually the same car with a few refinements) but 3.0 Carreras are quite rare and therefore more collectable. They also have more of a 70's feel (often with chrome trim etc) than later SCs and 3.2 Carreras. I've previously owned one of these too long term and really enjoyed the experience.
The bottom line is that this backdated 2.7S is very pricey for what is one of the least popular 911 derivatives of the era. Perhaps a little unfair, but that's how it looks to me.
rubystone said:
That's an insult to anyone who can't spot a pair of modern seats in an old car. I'd wager that if I showed the interior of that car to 10 people, they'd all wonder why the seats looked so modern in a 40 year old car....
I was speaking more to the exterior, which is what most people see. And, I have a "retro" car, and I think you'd be surprised at how many people even at Porsche shows would let your theory down... even for those who know the marque, they know that many people update the seats in older 911s for tracking, comfort etc.Possibly similar to the green '74 above?. Or are the US spec cars different... hearing aid beige though 
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The thing with the PS cars is that you are buying a car that has been built to a budget with a profit margin in mind. If you do want some kind of recreation or modified 911 then I would prefer to buy from an enthusiastic owner that has built the car for his own needs, often without budget in mind.
I saw the PS cars at Goodwood a few years ago and while they looked nice I thought that some of the upholstering looked cheap and they also had cheap seats in. The fuchs wheels on the car I saw looked like cheap replicas also.
When I built my 964 I bought an RS door card set from the states, I wasnt happy with it so it came out to be replaced with a Southbound set. Its all about the quality of the finish when Im into a project and all of the little details often make the car.
From what I have seen most aircooled owners lavish money, care and attention on their cars.
All my own opinion ofcourse.
I saw the PS cars at Goodwood a few years ago and while they looked nice I thought that some of the upholstering looked cheap and they also had cheap seats in. The fuchs wheels on the car I saw looked like cheap replicas also.
When I built my 964 I bought an RS door card set from the states, I wasnt happy with it so it came out to be replaced with a Southbound set. Its all about the quality of the finish when Im into a project and all of the little details often make the car.
From what I have seen most aircooled owners lavish money, care and attention on their cars.
All my own opinion ofcourse.
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Thing is an impact bumper can be a thing of beauty, why butcher it into something it's not?
Because you want to build something unique.
Lovely Orange IB by the way, shame you couldnt get on with it.
love the look of yours, that was what i was going to build in the first place if you remember? the lack of power steering would still pee me off though so i think i'll leave the IB's for now. if only i culd prise a certain 964RS with power steering fitted out of a certain owners hands however.....
GT Two said:
The thing with the PS cars is that you are buying a car that has been built to a budget with a profit margin in mind. If you do want some kind of recreation or modified 911 then I would prefer to buy from an enthusiastic owner that has built the car for his own needs, often without budget in mind.
Very true. And dealers like that don't want to sell to people like us who ask too many questions. I imagine they quite like footballers.LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Thing is an impact bumper can be a thing of beauty, why butcher it into something it's not?
Because you want to build something unique.Lovely Orange IB by the way, shame you couldnt get on with it.
love the look of yours, that was what i was going to build in the first place if you remember? the lack of power steering would still pee me off though so i think i'll leave the IB's for now. if only i culd prise a certain 964RS with power steering fitted out of a certain owners hands however.....The mk2 Golf GTI I had was worse than the 911 I have!
Who has the 964 that you want? any pics?
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