Thoughts on this early 911
Discussion
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Thing is an impact bumper can be a thing of beauty, why butcher it into something it's not?
Because you want to build something unique.
Lovely Orange IB by the way, shame you couldnt get on with it.
love the look of yours, that was what i was going to build in the first place if you remember? the lack of power steering would still pee me off though so i think i'll leave the IB's for now. if only i could prise a certain 964RS with power steering fitted out of a certain owners hands however.....
The mk2 Golf GTI I had was worse than the 911 I have!
993kimbo said:
GT Two said:
The thing with the PS cars is that you are buying a car that has been built to a budget with a profit margin in mind. If you do want some kind of recreation or modified 911 then I would prefer to buy from an enthusiastic owner that has built the car for his own needs, often without budget in mind.
Very true. And dealers like that don't want to sell to people like us who ask too many questions. I imagine they quite like footballers.Also look at this.... £75k really?
http://www.paul-stephens.com/PS-Autoart-Retro-250-...
I could build a much better one for £45k
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT Two said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Thing is an impact bumper can be a thing of beauty, why butcher it into something it's not?
Because you want to build something unique.Lovely Orange IB by the way, shame you couldnt get on with it.
love the look of yours, that was what i was going to build in the first place if you remember? the lack of power steering would still pee me off though so i think i'll leave the IB's for now. if only i could prise a certain 964RS with power steering fitted out of a certain owners hands however.....The mk2 Golf GTI I had was worse than the 911 I have!
jon.b said:
Possibly similar to the green '74 above?. Or are the US spec cars different... hearing aid beige though 
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
The US spec '74 Carrera had the 911S 175 bhp engine with CIS K-jetronic.http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
jon.b said:
Possibly similar to the green '74 above?. Or are the US spec cars different... hearing aid beige though
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
the sahara beige car phil at tech9 has for sale is a US version carrera.. however he completed a fastidious restoration on this one that sold at techno classica essen for euro 100k..http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=acid+blau+carrera...
GT Two said:
Also look at this.... £75k really?
http://www.paul-stephens.com/PS-Autoart-Retro-250-...
I could build a much better one for £45k
And it probably wouldn't be a Tip...http://www.paul-stephens.com/PS-Autoart-Retro-250-...
I could build a much better one for £45k
Just thinking about values as everybody gets hung up depreciation etc.
There's been some slight rises in old impact bumper prices, but that said there's loads for sale and loads that have been around for an eternity, i think to be honest they've reached their peak for now.
Really good 930 5 speeds have peaked at late 30's-40 private, dealers trying to get more but realistically they are at their peak IMO, some lucky individuals cashed in the chips at the right time.
You can get a lovely 3.2 for late teens-20k now, SC's (most are pretty poor to be honest) 15k for a nice one, anybody wanting 20k they'll wait for ages, but they all hang around....
Pre-Impact another cattle of fish if genuine and not a mish mash like the PS car, they are pure classics now.
964's (2's) have also risen slightly but only for nice cars, people jump on the band wagon get the glym out & paint the tyres and add 3k, there is some serious sheds out there.
993's well prices are all over the place on these and again a lot of crap out there, and i am not a fan really, so don't keep me eye on them.
You might laugh but i think you'll start and see nice straight standard 996's start and steady off and eventually go North, forgetting the GT cars obviously good 996 Turbo's with good history everything done will without doubt go North in value, the issue with these is fundamentally down to them falling into the hands of wannabees who can't afford to maintain them and eventually its inevitable that they will sell on with all sorts of issues & 8-10k to put right, and nobody wants them. A good turbo i think isn't a bad place to have your money now, they have lost most of the residuals so wait and see early days.
Sorry but i drifted from the OP i would suggest the car at PS will have been bought at trade for a lot less than 30k, probably worth in the region of 20k, so an enthusiast would buy a stunning 20k 3.2 if they had any sence
There's been some slight rises in old impact bumper prices, but that said there's loads for sale and loads that have been around for an eternity, i think to be honest they've reached their peak for now.
Really good 930 5 speeds have peaked at late 30's-40 private, dealers trying to get more but realistically they are at their peak IMO, some lucky individuals cashed in the chips at the right time.
You can get a lovely 3.2 for late teens-20k now, SC's (most are pretty poor to be honest) 15k for a nice one, anybody wanting 20k they'll wait for ages, but they all hang around....
Pre-Impact another cattle of fish if genuine and not a mish mash like the PS car, they are pure classics now.
964's (2's) have also risen slightly but only for nice cars, people jump on the band wagon get the glym out & paint the tyres and add 3k, there is some serious sheds out there.
993's well prices are all over the place on these and again a lot of crap out there, and i am not a fan really, so don't keep me eye on them.
You might laugh but i think you'll start and see nice straight standard 996's start and steady off and eventually go North, forgetting the GT cars obviously good 996 Turbo's with good history everything done will without doubt go North in value, the issue with these is fundamentally down to them falling into the hands of wannabees who can't afford to maintain them and eventually its inevitable that they will sell on with all sorts of issues & 8-10k to put right, and nobody wants them. A good turbo i think isn't a bad place to have your money now, they have lost most of the residuals so wait and see early days.
Sorry but i drifted from the OP i would suggest the car at PS will have been bought at trade for a lot less than 30k, probably worth in the region of 20k, so an enthusiast would buy a stunning 20k 3.2 if they had any sence
993kimbo said:
GT Two said:
Also look at this.... £75k really?
http://www.paul-stephens.com/PS-Autoart-Retro-250-...
I could build a much better one for £45k
And it probably wouldn't be a Tip...http://www.paul-stephens.com/PS-Autoart-Retro-250-...
I could build a much better one for £45k
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Err Indoors said:
, SC's (most are pretty poor to be honest) 15k for a nice one, anybody wanting 20k they'll wait for ages, but they all hang around....
Aye, £25.5k & I had to wait a whole 18 hours before I got a deposit Err Indoors said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Err Indoors said:
, SC's (most are pretty poor to be honest) 15k for a nice one, anybody wanting 20k they'll wait for ages, but they all hang around....
Aye, £25.5k & I had to wait a whole 18 hours before I got a deposit the beauty of them is, that like my old car, there are so very, very few great cars left the good 'uns will start to make big money. The carrera 2.7's have already gone due to their engines, but the rest won't be far behind. A proper resto is going to be £30k+ on an impact bumper & just like the long hoods it won't be long before folk won't sell unless they see that back at least, safe in the knowledge that the only other option is a basket case that needs the full restoration doing.Now, if I could only predict tomorrow nights lotto numbers too we'd all be laughing
GT Two said:
The thing with the PS cars is that you are buying a car that has been built to a budget with a profit margin in mind. If you do want some kind of recreation or modified 911 then I would prefer to buy from an enthusiastic owner that has built the car for his own needs, often without budget in mind.
The car in question is not a PS Autoart car if that's what you are referring to.Bert
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Err Indoors said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Err Indoors said:
, SC's (most are pretty poor to be honest) 15k for a nice one, anybody wanting 20k they'll wait for ages, but they all hang around....
Aye, £25.5k & I had to wait a whole 18 hours before I got a deposit the beauty of them is, that like my old car, there are so very, very few great cars left the good 'uns will start to make big money. The carrera 2.7's have already gone due to their engines, but the rest won't be far behind. A proper resto is going to be £30k+ on an impact bumper & just like the long hoods it won't be long before folk won't sell unless they see that back at least, safe in the knowledge that the only other option is a basket case that needs the full restoration doing.Now, if I could only predict tomorrow nights lotto numbers too we'd all be laughing
Terrible heavy steering/poor handling IMO/Not really that quick/what performance it had was difficult to manage, cover ground quicker in a modern day diesel.
Ideally if funds/space were not an issue you would want a modern day 911 and an old school atmospheric cooled one.
I think I prefer this...
http://www.paul-stephens.com/Porsche-911-Carrera-3...
Although, what I really like about early 911s is the MFI! I was close to a couple of IB 2.7 MFI cars and regret not taking the leap as the values went up sharply.
Bert
http://www.paul-stephens.com/Porsche-911-Carrera-3...
Although, what I really like about early 911s is the MFI! I was close to a couple of IB 2.7 MFI cars and regret not taking the leap as the values went up sharply.
Bert
thanks wozy.. had to sell a couple to pay for that carrera but its a car i had been after for about three years... i have this resto underway at the moment, another 2.7 carrera, unusual though in it is widebody from factory (1975) IMPACTBUMPERS.COM forum is great place for info and theres a thread there on the restorarion
then
now
and what it should look like when finished!
then
now
and what it should look like when finished!
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