Thoughts on this early 911

Thoughts on this early 911

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JDH1

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1,015 posts

238 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Been hankering after an early 911 for a long time and have sat back as prices have risen. Really like the pre-impact bumper look and came across this:

http://www.paul-stephens.com/Porsche-911S-2.7/car3...

Bit of a cheat in that it's a 1975 car that's been given an expensive makeover. Looks lovely though and a lot cheaper than the real thing.

I know very little about these cars though. Any thoughts, opinions or information invited.

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Personally, I'd put that sort of money into an original '73 2.4E. Again considerably cheaper than a 2.4S and fairly easy to match on power with a few tweaks.

Geneve

3,857 posts

218 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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uktrailmonster said:
Personally, I'd put that sort of money into an original '73 2.4E. Again considerably cheaper than a 2.4S and fairly easy to match on power with a few tweaks.
Totally agree. Personally I don't like these hybrid backdates. May look pretty but it's a mish-mash and originality is key.

£40,000 will give you the choice of some very desirable, top quality, original 911s - 2.4E, 3.2 Carrera, 964, 993, 996 GT3.....




rlw

3,321 posts

236 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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uktrailmonster said:
Personally, I'd put that sort of money into an original '73 2.4E. Again considerably cheaper than a 2.4S and fairly easy to match on power with a few tweaks.
Except that you probably won't find a 2.4E in the same condition as this car at the same price.................


Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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JDH1 said:
Been hankering after an early 911 for a long time and have sat back as prices have risen. Really like the pre-impact bumper look and came across this:

http://www.paul-stephens.com/Porsche-911S-2.7/car3...

Bit of a cheat in that it's a 1975 car that's been given an expensive makeover. Looks lovely though and a lot cheaper than the real thing.

I know very little about these cars though. Any thoughts, opinions or information invited.
To me this is just silly money.

A non original 911 with most probs the most unreliable Porsche engine of all time and they want 40K?
Seriously, this is pricing on a scale of jazz the description up, make up a figure and double it.
Avoid IMO.


Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 19th October 08:35

mrdemon

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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you need matching number car with full historyfor future value

the 911E was only 20k a few years back but the 911S pushed all the prices up as people cannot afford them.

even the 911 T now seems crazy money

JDH1

Original Poster:

1,015 posts

238 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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I see which was opinion is heading. It's a shame because finding an original car isn't easy. There seem to be a lot of these 'rewind' cars around at the moment but not much else. Take out the lhd (which I don't want) the tatty, and the silly priced ones at there's nowt left.

Geneve

3,857 posts

218 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Don't dismiss lhd. The market is global and the international market prefers lhd.

IMO, early 911s are actually nicer to drive with lhd.

Or, save yourself a lot of headaches and buy a mint, original 3.2 Carrera G50.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Cheaper & original:
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...

I know it's a SWB but does that really matter on these things nowadays? It's not like you'll be drifting the thing through the wipperman is it?

Lively colour combo, but of a journey to go see it but that's what inspections are for I guess.

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Cheaper & original:
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...

I know it's a SWB but does that really matter on these things nowadays? It's not like you'll be drifting the thing through the wipperman is it?

Lively colour combo, but of a journey to go see it but that's what inspections are for I guess.
Though personally I'd prefer the long weelbase. Thats lovely. cloud9

jackal

11,248 posts

281 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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totally undesireable fake/hotch-bodge ... even if it was a more realistic 20k which it isn't

the whole point of teh porsche marque is originality

get a nice E IMO

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Paul Stephens.

Bank.

to the.

Laughing.

All the way.

Mr Cooke will be along in a moment to tell me off.

Edited by 993kimbo on Friday 19th October 15:11

bqf

2,226 posts

170 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Blimey - some strong views here.

Lets not forget - this is a matching numbers 1975 'S', with some tasteful and driving-value add mods. a 72 S will set you back twice that (there was one at The Hairpin Co. a while back for £85,000).

If you want a car to drive, and look/feel like the dogs whatnots in, this is ace. Paul Stephens puts many hours into these things and lets be fair, it looks terrific.

If you're viewing it as an investment, don't. Buy an earlier 's' at double the price and store it.

If you want a £40,000 car to drive, properly drive, as a daily, it makes terrific sense. I'd rather have this than a 2 year old M3.

Al W

591 posts

226 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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I realise you've said you're not keen on LHD (although I'd prefer it for reasons above and 'straighter' driving position) but given all the 'Urban Outlaw' buzz at present, how about a Magnus Walker car, already UK based? More info here:



Edited by Al W on Friday 19th October 14:04

cuse92

87 posts

155 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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rlw said:
Except that you probably won't find a 2.4E in the same condition as this car at the same price.................
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This.

I've seen the car at Paul Stephens in the flesh and it is very, very nice (and technically a "matching-numbers" car). Only a few anorak types on these internet forae can tell the difference, and at this price point (as opposed to near-£100k for a nice "real" '73 S) the whole originality spiel doesn't wash, there are heaps of retro cars around this price point and they all sell.

cuse92

87 posts

155 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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bqf said:
Blimey - some strong views here.

Lets not forget - this is a matching numbers 1975 'S', with some tasteful and driving-value add mods. a 72 S will set you back twice that (there was one at The Hairpin Co. a while back for £85,000).

If you want a car to drive, and look/feel like the dogs whatnots in, this is ace. Paul Stephens puts many hours into these things and lets be fair, it looks terrific.

If you're viewing it as an investment, don't. Buy an earlier 's' at double the price and store it.

If you want a £40,000 car to drive, properly drive, as a daily, it makes terrific sense. I'd rather have this than a 2 year old M3.
Agree totally. You made my earlier point much more eloquently then I did...

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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bqf said:
Blimey - some strong views here.

Lets not forget - this is a matching numbers 1975 'S', with some tasteful and driving-value add mods. a 72 S will set you back twice that (there was one at The Hairpin Co. a while back for £85,000).

If you want a £40,000 car to drive, properly drive, as a daily, it makes terrific sense. I'd rather have this than a 2 year old M3.
Quite, a 911S, impact bumper car.

911s IB was not in the same league as a 911S 2.4 pre impact.

I'm not knocking the car, I'm knocking the price. What do you get for the 40K?
A rebuilt, IB converted to pre IB. Why is it so expensive?
You can pick up an IB 2.7S still for way less than 20K in reasonable condition. if you look hard enough. I was offered one for 12K less than 18 months ago.

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

215 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Buy a decent 3.2 Carrera.
Half that money will buy you something gorgeous.
It will hold its money well.
Bitza have a limited market.

drmark

4,794 posts

185 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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stuttgartmetal said:
Buy a decent 3.2 Carrera.
Half that money will buy you something gorgeous.
It will hold its money well.
Bitza have a limited market.
No 3.2 can ever be as gorgeous as an early 911 smile


But I agree - buy the real thing (preferably fully restored as original UK cars ALL have rust, but if that is outside your budget, buy a good 3.2 and get rid of the whaletail and chin spoiler.


Edited by drmark on Friday 19th October 16:07


Edited by drmark on Friday 19th October 16:10

Err Indoors

909 posts

186 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Think they are as bad as SCOM nowadays