Yellow 993 turbo s at Hendon Way Motors
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Interesting how much these cars make now.
And yes the car in question is still languishing in the grubby mitts of Swiss Tony.
http://www.hendonwaymotors.co.uk/car-sales/PORSCHE...
Here is the man himself waxing lyrical about the fabulous provenance of the said motor.
https://youtu.be/ZmI7f8ULhSw
The video uploaded in March 1014 !
Old Swiss certainly knows how to keep his stock moving.
Got to feel sorry for the owner.
And yes the car in question is still languishing in the grubby mitts of Swiss Tony.
http://www.hendonwaymotors.co.uk/car-sales/PORSCHE...
Here is the man himself waxing lyrical about the fabulous provenance of the said motor.
https://youtu.be/ZmI7f8ULhSw
The video uploaded in March 1014 !
Old Swiss certainly knows how to keep his stock moving.
Got to feel sorry for the owner.
AlvinSultana said:
(shudder)"the turbo S was a very successful model, they only built 23 in RHD"
The dreaded 3 letters - HWM!!!!! Yes, start slating them and the threads gets closed down very quickly. So I will give a piece of advice from personal experience.
It is entirely up to the individual if someone wishes to take a chance. I'm sure HWM occasionally get fault free cars that can pass off as NOT SOR!! However, will I ever use them again? ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!!
If I deter one person from going through what I and many others experienced (there is plenty of slagging to be read on the Ferrari forums) then I have achieved something. It's a bit like receiving a scam phone call about your computer slowing the whole network - if you can keep them on the phone for a while then you have saved some other poor soul from losing a lot of money.
I fully expect a reply from someone saying "I have bought many cars over the years from HWM and had a great service!" Well, I say "nice try Anthony, we all know it is you!"
My experience was so bad that I involved the courts. But before you go near HWM, you got to ask yourself one question "do you feel lucky. Well, do ya punk?"
It is entirely up to the individual if someone wishes to take a chance. I'm sure HWM occasionally get fault free cars that can pass off as NOT SOR!! However, will I ever use them again? ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!!
If I deter one person from going through what I and many others experienced (there is plenty of slagging to be read on the Ferrari forums) then I have achieved something. It's a bit like receiving a scam phone call about your computer slowing the whole network - if you can keep them on the phone for a while then you have saved some other poor soul from losing a lot of money.
I fully expect a reply from someone saying "I have bought many cars over the years from HWM and had a great service!" Well, I say "nice try Anthony, we all know it is you!"
My experience was so bad that I involved the courts. But before you go near HWM, you got to ask yourself one question "do you feel lucky. Well, do ya punk?"
Edited by Dreamliner on Monday 3rd October 14:04
Adam B said:
AlvinSultana said:
(shudder)"the turbo S was a very successful model, they only built 23 in RHD"
Not sure if he'll see it sell to be honest.
StuRaine said:
IMI A said:
Seen this car for sale at a few dealerships in last 12 months - does it belong to someone on here?
Hi, this is the first time I have seen these posts on here regarding this car and am a little concerned to read these posts. The car is my father's and I feel that the record should be set straight for anyone wishing to know the correct details for this car. The car is straight with no hidden history and the full history of the car has been researched by ourselves, which we are happy to divulge. I have all of the details and if anyone requires details about the car please email me at stuart_raine@hotmail.comPlease note, official porsche club figures are that 33 UK cars were sold and we have seen or know about most of those cars. I am happy to speak further about the cars we have seen or know about.
Can we pls not slag HWM off and just leave this as useful thread/info if considering SOR with HWM?
IMI A said:
Stuart, I heard from a very good source the other day that your father lost this car to HWM. It seems HWM have fine print in their SOR paperwork which under certain conditions allows them to take ownership? Case went to court and HWM won.
Can we pls not slag HWM off and just leave this as useful thread/info if considering SOR with HWM?
Any links to the above?Can we pls not slag HWM off and just leave this as useful thread/info if considering SOR with HWM?
MrJuice said:
Any links to the above?
I don't believe judgements are available online hence the question to the old owners son. Contract in favour of HWM so the court will always come down on the side of the paperwork but do feel very sorry indeed for the old boy - I actually spoke to him when this thread started and would have happily bought the car and had the repair work its already had carried out again properly - allegedly she was damaged on a test drive with HWM. To have a car like that in your old age inveigled from you by sharp practice is a very bitter pill to swallow, 
Adam B said:
"the turbo S was a very successful model, they only built 23 in RHD"
IMI A said:
There's only 23 cars in the country so quite difficult to find. I agree at £90k it needs to be perfect
That's interesting x2 - Porsche Cars GB had 36 examples, so in the hope that none have been scrapped, that would mean 13 have been exported at some point. Clearly some of the 36 could have been LHD.kleonard said:
Seemingly only 6-8 cars ever came to the uk
36 as it happens!Also, as per Legacywr, it is indeed a sad state of affairs.
IMI A said:
Carlson W6 said:
IMI A said:
Can we pls not slag HWM off
I'm finding it extremely hard not to.Just a thought.
fblm said:
In theory... how the hell can a car on SOR end up the property of the dealer? What a scam. Do you agree a minimum price and they get the option if it hasn't sold after an agreed period?
If you agree to sell a car to a dealer on SoR it would be very easy for the dealer to sell to a "third party" at whatever that pre-agreed price was. I very much doubt the SoR contract would stop HWM from selling the car to a mate who then sold it back to them. I suppose the question is if you have a car on SoR and in these days of crazy price rises how you can cancel an SoR contract and get your car back.
It never fails to amaze me how few people read contracts properly. The amount of people I know who sign employment contracts for example without reading them properly or if necessary getting a lawyer to review them is staggering.
Cheib said:
If you agree to sell a car to a dealer on SoR...
I have no experience of SoR. I thought the idea was you didn't sell it to the dealer but that they sold it on your behalf for a %. I assumed you agreed your lowest price but that the dealer was incentivised by selling it for a % of a higher amount? Is this wrong?Cheib said:
it would be very easy for the dealer to sell to a "third party" at whatever that pre-agreed price was. I very much doubt the SoR contract would stop HWM from selling the car to a mate who then sold it back to them.
I suppose the question is if you have a car on SoR and in these days of crazy price rises how you can cancel an SoR contract and get your car back.
It never fails to amaze me how few people read contracts properly. The amount of people I know who sign employment contracts for example without reading them properly or if necessary getting a lawyer to review them is staggering.
I don't understand how the dealer ends up with the car against the owners wishes. Presumably the owner has been paid the minimum amount agreed but they are, rightfully, pi55ed off the dealer failed to get them more. It's probably underhand and dishonest of the dealer but the owner has got the price he agreed to sell the car for, no? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?I suppose the question is if you have a car on SoR and in these days of crazy price rises how you can cancel an SoR contract and get your car back.
It never fails to amaze me how few people read contracts properly. The amount of people I know who sign employment contracts for example without reading them properly or if necessary getting a lawyer to review them is staggering.
fblm said:
Cheib said:
If you agree to sell a car to a dealer on SoR...
I have no experience of SoR. I thought the idea was you didn't sell it to the dealer but that they sold it on your behalf for a %. I assumed you agreed your lowest price but that the dealer was incentivised by selling it for a % of a higher amount? Is this wrong?Cheib said:
it would be very easy for the dealer to sell to a "third party" at whatever that pre-agreed price was. I very much doubt the SoR contract would stop HWM from selling the car to a mate who then sold it back to them.
I suppose the question is if you have a car on SoR and in these days of crazy price rises how you can cancel an SoR contract and get your car back.
It never fails to amaze me how few people read contracts properly. The amount of people I know who sign employment contracts for example without reading them properly or if necessary getting a lawyer to review them is staggering.
I don't understand how the dealer ends up with the car against the owners wishes. Presumably the owner has been paid the minimum amount agreed but they are, rightfully, pi55ed off the dealer failed to get them more. It's probably underhand and dishonest of the dealer but the owner has got the price he agreed to sell the car for, no? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?I suppose the question is if you have a car on SoR and in these days of crazy price rises how you can cancel an SoR contract and get your car back.
It never fails to amaze me how few people read contracts properly. The amount of people I know who sign employment contracts for example without reading them properly or if necessary getting a lawyer to review them is staggering.
A dealer could agree to say a PoR deal whereby the owner agrees to sell the car for £100k for which the dealer gets paid £5k....i.e. the owner nets £95k. Dealer goes off and actually markets the car at PoA and tells prospective buyers the car is for sale for £110k. If he sells the car for £110k he probably needs to find a "friend" to buy the car for £100k....owner gets paid £95k and then next day the dealer sells it for £110k.
In these days of some models with rampant price inflation PoR is fantastic for dealers...they have a free call on the market.
I can think of a few ways a dealer could abuse the situation if they wanted to....would be very hard to cover ever eventuality and enforce the contract.
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