991 GT3 Premiere - Tues 05 March @ 09:45 GMT
Discussion
Manks said:
For want of a better description it is a 991 Carrera S+
Feels like to me like what the Carrera S should have been. Difficult to see it holding its value like the previous GT3s – not different enough and you can imagine some of the current differentiators making it onto the 991.2 in a couple of years.majordad said:
Only the 991 Cup Shares the (Mezger ) Engine with the previous 3.8 RS. The 991 GT3 has its own " unique" GT3 engine based on the DFI 991 S Engine and no Manaul Box oer 3.8RS but only the PDK. I'm surprised you did not see this in the Press Blurb above Manks, not like you to miss things !!
Majordad it is EXACTLY like me to miss things when it comes to tech specs of cars. I find it intensely boring. I shouldn't even be looking at cars before they have been in the market for at least two years and someone more technically competent, and more importantly more interested, than I has determined what the good and bad options are.cardigankid said:
mollytherocker said:
I really like Andreas. He didn't shy away from the key concerns and addressed them directly in the language of an enthusiast..
Molly, he was told what to say, word for b....y word. I don't know the guy, so he may just be a great speaker but he just sounds so enthusiastic and excited to me.
Its funny, as an owner of a couple of the older cars, I FULLY embrace this new car. In fact the last thing I would want is just a revised version of a 996 or 997 GT3. Life moves on, give me all the tech you possibly can, pdk, rear wheel steering, dynamic engine mounts ... yes please. In exactly the same way, a 997 GT3 is just as relevant as a 996 GT3, a 993RS just as valid as a 2.7RS. I dont see this new car as representing a sudden fall off the precipice just because it no longer has a manual box or has lost the Msport link. The cars have been going this way since the very first.
Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
jackal said:
Its funny, as an owner of a couple of the older cars, I FULLY embrace this new car. In fact the last thing I would want is just a revised version of a 996 or 997 GT3. Life moves on, give me all the tech you possibly can, pdk, rear wheel steering, dynamic engine mounts ... yes please. In exactly the same way, a 997 GT3 is just as relevant as a 996 GT3, a 993RS just as valid as a 2.7RS. I dont see this new car as representing a sudden fall off the precipice just because it no longer has a manual box or has lost the Msport link. The cars have been going this way since the very first.
Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
Totally agree. I am not a PDK fan, but I can see that the manual is reaching the end of its life. And as you say, every Porsche fetish is out there, just take your pick!Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
However, in terms of how good a car it is, we do not know yet.
I await the reviews with interest!
Clevers said:
The thing looks awesome, so want one.
It looks awesome the way Bruce Willis looks awesome in Die Hard, ie. a total confection. Look at it this way, it is the first GT3 to be non-manual, and to be totally but totally unrelated to the racing version, which they admit will have a totally different engine, based on the, er, old model. It looks great in the pics, but like the rest of the 991's, when you get up close, you think, this is about the size and shape of an old Mondeo. It has become a pure marketing object. They can't sell something as quirky as a 911 these days, so what they are selling is the gradually fading image.
As I said earlier, they can keep it, along with their Cayennes and Panameras and the shreds of their integrity. The new Boxster and Cayman maybe worth a look, but for me I have bought what I regard as a proper 911.
cardigankid said:
As I said earlier, they can keep it, along with their Cayennes and Panameras and the shreds of their integrity. The new Boxster and Cayman maybe worth a look, but for me I have bought what I regard as a proper 911.
It's all subjective though. You've just bought a 996 right? There are many that certainly don't believe this is a proper Porsche unless it is a GT3 or Turbo. Are they right too?Edited by mollytherocker on Wednesday 6th March 22:36
jackal said:
Its funny, as an owner of a couple of the older cars, I FULLY embrace this new car. In fact the last thing I would want is just a revised version of a 996 or 997 GT3. Life moves on, give me all the tech you possibly can, pdk, rear wheel steering, dynamic engine mounts ... yes please. In exactly the same way, a 997 GT3 is just as relevant as a 996 GT3, a 993RS just as valid as a 2.7RS. I dont see this new car as representing a sudden fall off the precipice just because it no longer has a manual box or has lost the Msport link. The cars have been going this way since the very first.
Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
Huge round of applause!Firstly I bet its still a riot to drive in its own way and seondly, if you want an older school driving eperience then go take you pick.
I never imagined you posting that after our repartee on GT3 v 993. However I totally agree.
At least, to me, the 991 represents the same level of increased comfort, dynamics and refinement as the 997 did to the 996 and the 996 did to the 993.
And yet the 997.2RS is held up as the current benchmark by many. The last in a line of refinement and abstraction.
mollytherocker said:
cardigankid said:
As I said earlier, they can keep it, along with their Cayennes and Panameras and the shreds of their integrity. The new Boxster and Cayman maybe worth a look, but for me I have bought what I regard as a proper 911.
It's all subjective though. You've just bought a 996 right? There are many that certainly don't believe this is a proper Porsche unless it is a GT3 or Turbo. Are they right too?Edited by mollytherocker on Wednesday 6th March 22:36
First ever RS not to use a semi trailing arm, way too easy and boring on the limit
First RS not to have an aircooled engine, christ on a bike
RS now has nannies, PASM and a satnav, they've ruined it
RS now has a pdk box, its no longer a real car
Etc.
My, how selective our memories can be. Every gen there is a gripe. Its the same old script IMO. I bet in another 7 years we will all be lamenting the death of the last true GT3 ...
"The forthcoming 920GT3 will use a 586bhp electric engine, active spring rates and user selectable, on-the-fly, electronic camber and toe."
First RS not to have an aircooled engine, christ on a bike
RS now has nannies, PASM and a satnav, they've ruined it
RS now has a pdk box, its no longer a real car
Etc.
My, how selective our memories can be. Every gen there is a gripe. Its the same old script IMO. I bet in another 7 years we will all be lamenting the death of the last true GT3 ...
"The forthcoming 920GT3 will use a 586bhp electric engine, active spring rates and user selectable, on-the-fly, electronic camber and toe."
Anyone seen the engine dyno curves yet anywhere? I've seen torque but not hp.
Very curious to see them, with max power at 8250rpm there's a real question mark over the extra 750rpms purpose beyond top trumps. Torque i saw falls like a stone past 8k.
Btw, I think the new car might be incredible but in a c63 black made into a sports car way. I'll reserve much until I've driven it though however I expect it will be supremely quick but a new book rather than a new chapter.
There's much in the blurb that sticks in my throat though and not because I feel its not "pure" or "gt3" enough but simply because its BS. It's a feature that's getting worse IMHO. As usual those that should be better and ask the hard questions for us (the public) in the face of it will say nothing and drink it all up. I'd like to be kind and say fear of access to all VAG product lines was driving it but I don't believe it to be the case in the main. They are now simply part of the "sell".
That video was exactly like a QVC presentation.
Very curious to see them, with max power at 8250rpm there's a real question mark over the extra 750rpms purpose beyond top trumps. Torque i saw falls like a stone past 8k.
Btw, I think the new car might be incredible but in a c63 black made into a sports car way. I'll reserve much until I've driven it though however I expect it will be supremely quick but a new book rather than a new chapter.
There's much in the blurb that sticks in my throat though and not because I feel its not "pure" or "gt3" enough but simply because its BS. It's a feature that's getting worse IMHO. As usual those that should be better and ask the hard questions for us (the public) in the face of it will say nothing and drink it all up. I'd like to be kind and say fear of access to all VAG product lines was driving it but I don't believe it to be the case in the main. They are now simply part of the "sell".
That video was exactly like a QVC presentation.
Edited by fioran0 on Thursday 7th March 00:36
anonymous said:
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I agree. I have faith that the engine will indeed be an outstanding part of the car, just as the Mezger was in previous generations. The spec. seems very impressive.As for specific output, it is the same as the 4.0 litre RS - 125hp/litre.
The only thing I do expect, based on my experience with my 991 C2S, which has the Powerkit, is a peakier engine. The old 3.8 Mezger and of course the 4.0 litre had oodles of mid range - my expectation is that this new engine will need to be revved more - which is no problem on track, but perhaps a tiny bit less usable on road.
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