Prospective 991 GT3 Owners Discussion

[sidsideways]

I don't know whether I am missing the point[s] but why are you guys going for cruise control and painted headlight sprayers? When did you find an empty road that you just wanted to sit at a fixed speed? Roads with traffic reqire constant adjustment so as I said I just don't get it but I am always missing the obvious!
The painted sprayers are right next to non painted hedlights and look fine as they are imo.
Something I have no opinion on at the moment is the LEDs so anyone any experience or comments please. Is it just the gimmicky looks or are there benefits?

[sidsideways]

I don't know whether I am missing the point[s] but why are you guys going for cruise control and painted headlight sprayers? When did you find an empty road that you just wanted to sit at a fixed speed? Roads with traffic reqire constant adjustment so as I said I just don't get it but I am always missing the obvious!
The painted sprayers are right next to non painted hedlights and look fine as they are imo.
Something I have no opinion on at the moment is the LEDs so anyone any experience or comments please. Is it just the gimmicky looks or are there benefits?

[BMCG]

2nd deposit holder at dealer, getting indications that PAG will advise build slots over next couple of weeks...

See a '13 delivery as optimistic, so managing down my expectations...but you never know...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PELAQK46

Be where I am at....with oscillations on:

1. Colour....GR, RY, White, Amaranth Red, and GT Silver in rotation..
2. PCCB's...oh because I suspect they might actually be ready for prime time...but rational side still sees them as a solution in search of a problem.

oh and cruise control is on the list...for:

Autobahn runs...

Edited by BMCG on Saturday 30th March 10:18

[mollytherocker]

sidsideways said:

I don't know whether I am missing the point but why are you guys going for cruise control and painted headlight sprayers? When did you find an empty road that you just wanted to sit at a fixed speed? Roads with traffic reqire constant adjustment so as I said I just don't get it but I am always missing the obvious!
The painted sprayers are right next to non painted hedlights and look fine as they are imo.
Something I have no opinion on at the moment is the LEDs so anyone any experience or comments please. Is it just the gimmicky looks or are there benefits?

Even though I bang on here about electronics getting in the way of the driver interface, I am a big fan of cruise.

It's great when you just want to.....er.....cruise. I find it relaxing and enables your right leg to rest.

But I agree with you on the colour coding, it can go too far. Black details look great to me, especially on a red or white car. Remember when people used to colour code wipers! Awfull!

[RSVP911]

mollytherocker said:

Even though I bang on here about electronics getting in the way of the driver interface, I am a big fan of cruise.

It's great when you just want to.....er.....cruise. I find it relaxing and enables your right leg to rest.

But I agree with you on the colour coding, it can go too far. Black details look great to me, especially on a red or white car. Remember when people used to colour code wipers! Awfull!

Re cruise control - helps avoiding accidentally speeding in built up areas - I use as a safety feature !

[houlbt]

sidsideways said:

The painted sprayers are right next to non painted hedlights and look fine as they are imo.

The chrome ones look nasty - one of the little things I really dislike on the cars

[houlbt]

DiscoColin said:

A bit of an error on that one. For a Clubsport you want steel brakes. Ceramics only make sense for road only cars. Otherwise - very tasty.

I don't actually agree with this, obviously it's a topic which has been debated time and time again. From a road use perspective it's a £6k option but but they produce less brake dust, don't rust and help with resale of the car.

On track you will change the pad compound whether you run cc or iron discs but I've found that with the right compound the brake performance of cc's is astounding and you do notice the lower unsprung rotating mass. Look after the cc's and they will perform time and time again and the disc wear will be very low.

[SonnyM]

houlbt said:

DiscoColin said:

A bit of an error on that one. For a Clubsport you want steel brakes. Ceramics only make sense for road only cars. Otherwise - very tasty.

I don't actually agree with this, obviously it's a topic which has been debated time and time again. From a road use perspective it's a £6k option but but they produce less brake dust, don't rust and help with resale of the car.

On track you will change the pad compound whether you run cc or iron discs but I've found that with the right compound the brake performance of cc's is astounding and you do notice the lower unsprung rotating mass. Look after the cc's and they will perform time and time again and the disc wear will be very low.

Apparently the weight of the new PCCBs is the same as the steels due to larger size, so unsprung mass is the same?

[dazren]

Got a deposit down. Buying and speccing the car for road/eurohoon trip use.

Going for Red, steel brakes, front lift, leather interior/steering wheel, PCM nav, cruise control etc. Spec coming in around £114k. Having seen photos I want black headlight surrounds! don't know what the advantage of LED lights are though. Been told I don't need to finalise spec for a few months yet.

[northpolar]

RSVP911 said:

mollytherocker said:

Even though I bang on here about electronics getting in the way of the driver interface, I am a big fan of cruise.

It's great when you just want to.....er.....cruise. I find it relaxing and enables your right leg to rest.

But I agree with you on the colour coding, it can go too far. Black details look great to me, especially on a red or white car. Remember when people used to colour code wipers! Awfull!

Re cruise control - helps avoiding accidentally speeding in built up areas - I use as a safety feature !

Cruise is best deployed on motorway sections speed limited and plagued by those yellow cameras. Motorists just seem to slowly but surely push the speed up bit by bit to the point of £££ your honour - cruise stops you getting dragged into the zone! Only time I ever use it.

Peter

[houlbt]

SonnyM said:

Apparently the weight of the new PCCBs is the same as the steels due to larger size, so unsprung mass is the same?

I'm not enough of a beard to be able to answer that but I'd be surprised if the two packages were the same weight. Either way PCCB's are superior in performance. Whether they are worth the extra cost is more subjective.

[BMCG]

houlbt said:

Either way PCCB's are superior in performance.

Can I get some hard data with that assertion?

[tjlees]

BMCG said:

houlbt said:

Either way PCCB's are superior in performance.

Can I get some hard data with that assertion?

Better temperature control (therefore less fade/ cold brakes), better wear, less noise, minimal brake dust and lighter.

http://www.whyhighend.com/carbon-ceramic-brakes.ht...

Main disadvantages, apart from cost, is their on off nature when cold and you really need to be careful not to chip them when taking the wheel off.

[AndyBrew]

I am always using my cruise control in built up areas and anywhere else I want to ensure my speed is within the limit as said more of a safety feature.

[houlbt]

BMCG said:

Can I get some hard data with that assertion?

What data do you actually want? Do your own research... are Porsche or any other manufacturer actually offering carbon-ceramic options as a negative performance part? Are they hoping to mug everyone off in the process and at the same time devalue their brand?

No.

Fact is it is a performance enhancing component. It might not be a cost effective for the majority of users but money no object you would choose to use them over am iron disc alternative.

[BMCG]

houlbt said:

BMCG said:

Can I get some hard data with that assertion?

What data do you actually want? Do your own research... are Porsche or any other manufacturer actually offering carbon-ceramic options as a negative performance part? Are they hoping to mug everyone off in the process and at the same time devalue their brand?

No.

Fact is it is a performance enhancing component. It might not be a cost effective for the majority of users but money no object you would choose to use them over am iron disc alternative.

Ahhh..you want research? Some data you say...as indeed I requested....well that I might have.

Ensuing captures some stateside actual USER experience...btw its from an earlier Pistonheads post on the subject...but i'll save you the search

Frankly, over 10 yrs of watching Porsche "betatest" PCCB's... I still struggle to see the benefit :: cost of them...

And I refuse to just glibly accept Porsche's assertion - as you sir seem to - that they are superior....without actually seeing/experiencing such consistently ...

Cf.also Centerlocks.

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Really....PCCB's superior in stopping power?!?

some differing opinions on that:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-gt2-gt3-...

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-gt2-gt3-...

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/porsche-tech...


I'd adver that if you track..then the argument for PCCB's is tenuous at best.

Edited by BMCG on Sunday 31st March 09:14

[RDMcG]

I suspect that it will be stupendous car and I know an insider who has driven one. However,I will retain my personal bias and wait for the RS by which time the GT3 will have been thoroughly tested and reviewed.

[sidsideways]

Back to cruise control I have owned accidently but never used [yes I know ] but points avoided is a good reason for it so does it eliminate right foot use [and choice of acceleration]or can you drive normally up to selected speed?

[AndyBrew]

sidsideways]Back to cruise control I have owned accidently but never used [yes I know ] but points avoided is a good reason for it so does it eliminate right foot use [and choice of acceleration said:

or can you drive normally up to selected speed?

I use the one on the Range Rover constantly because it the buttons are really nicely positioned on the steering wheel, where a quick press of the thumb will set my speed, for example as I enter castle donington at the airport end I set my cruise to 30mph and drive the length of the village to my office, lights an d traffic permitting.

If I understand you correctly, no you can't drive normally up to your chosen speed that would be a speed limiter, but I frequently set my cruise on the motorway and use the speed up and down buttons, keeping with the flow of traffic.

[tjlees]

sidsideways]Back to cruise control I have owned accidently but never used [yes I know ] but points avoided is a good reason for it so does it eliminate right foot use [and choice of acceleration said:

or can you drive normally up to selected speed?

err ... No but you can accelerate over the selected speed . Once you have selected the speed on your cruise control that's the speed you go at until you brake, crash etc, unless you have radar controlled cruise, which manages your distance between you and the car in front upto your selected speed.

As previously said, cruise for me is about not speeding on a lightly loaded motorway/dual carriageway. Its a must IMHO.