Shell V-Power Nitro+
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Martian O said:
It's 99.
Lefty said:
It's 98 RON.
Dontcha' just love the internet! 
My friend works for Shell and specifically with this fuel, and assures me it's 99, even Wikipedia has it right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_V-PowerEdited by Martian O on Thursday 9th May 11:19
I've used several tanks of this Nitro+ version of V-Power now and honestly can't feel any difference whatsoever from the previous, 'normal' version of the V-Power fuel.
The things I normally notice first, when going back on to high-octane fuel (if I've had to use 95-RON temporarily) are 1)a much sharper throttle response 2)a big jump in torque under 4000rpm 3)a much 'sharper' exhaust note and 4)a smoother, more powerful delivery over 4000rpm. Whilst I'd never expect anything like the same difference going from one high-octane fuel to another, what I would expect - if the V-Power Nitro was a real improvement over 'cooking' V-Power - would be at least a discernible improvement (however small) in at least one of these areas. But, there doesn't appear to be any change at all (at least from the perspective of my dulled-by-excess senses)!
I suppose it's possible that there just aren't any real-world benefits from the new product and it's all marketing BS. Or it could be that the ECU in my car is 'maxed-out' by both the old and new V-Power, so it's the car that can't benefit from the 'better' fuel.
On the subject of octane, I can't find anything on Shell's site either. I'd be surprised though, if they'd downgraded the octane rating from the 99 of the old V-Power to 98 in a new 'bigger, better, shinier' product!
The things I normally notice first, when going back on to high-octane fuel (if I've had to use 95-RON temporarily) are 1)a much sharper throttle response 2)a big jump in torque under 4000rpm 3)a much 'sharper' exhaust note and 4)a smoother, more powerful delivery over 4000rpm. Whilst I'd never expect anything like the same difference going from one high-octane fuel to another, what I would expect - if the V-Power Nitro was a real improvement over 'cooking' V-Power - would be at least a discernible improvement (however small) in at least one of these areas. But, there doesn't appear to be any change at all (at least from the perspective of my dulled-by-excess senses)!
I suppose it's possible that there just aren't any real-world benefits from the new product and it's all marketing BS. Or it could be that the ECU in my car is 'maxed-out' by both the old and new V-Power, so it's the car that can't benefit from the 'better' fuel.
On the subject of octane, I can't find anything on Shell's site either. I'd be surprised though, if they'd downgraded the octane rating from the 99 of the old V-Power to 98 in a new 'bigger, better, shinier' product!
Gibbo205 said:
Octane is un-changed, just more cleaning additives, it does not make more power.
Shell is claiming more power:"In comparison to our previous Shell V-Power Unleaded, we have rebalanced the formulation to contain 25% more Friction Modification Technology (FMT). This technology has been tested with Ferrari as part of our long standing technical partnership, and is designed to instantly reduce friction in critical engine areas and thereby help the engine to deliver more power to the wheels".
Ian_UK1 said:
The things I normally notice first, when going back on to high-octane fuel (if I've had to use 95-RON temporarily) are 1)a much sharper throttle response 2)a big jump in torque under 4000rpm 3)a much 'sharper' exhaust note and 4)a smoother, more powerful delivery over 4000rpm. Whilst I'd never expect anything like the same difference going from one high-octane fuel to another, what I would expect - if the V-Power Nitro was a real improvement over 'cooking' V-Power - would be at least a discernible improvement (however small) in at least one of these areas. But, there doesn't appear to be any change at all (at least from the perspective of my dulled-by-excess senses)!
That is very impressive indeed. I've never noticed any difference at all!Bert
Ian_UK1 said:
Shell is claiming more power:
"In comparison to our previous Shell V-Power Unleaded, we have rebalanced the formulation to contain 25% more Friction Modification Technology (FMT). This technology has been tested with Ferrari as part of our long standing technical partnership, and is designed to instantly reduce friction in critical engine areas and thereby help the engine to deliver more power to the wheels".
Good spot! But I can't discern any difference either. So who is going to kick-off a class action law suit ;-)"In comparison to our previous Shell V-Power Unleaded, we have rebalanced the formulation to contain 25% more Friction Modification Technology (FMT). This technology has been tested with Ferrari as part of our long standing technical partnership, and is designed to instantly reduce friction in critical engine areas and thereby help the engine to deliver more power to the wheels".
Ian_UK1 said:
Shell is claiming more power:
"In comparison to our previous Shell V-Power Unleaded, we have rebalanced the formulation to contain 25% more Friction Modification Technology (FMT). This technology has been tested with Ferrari as part of our long standing technical partnership, and is designed to instantly reduce friction in critical engine areas and thereby help the engine to deliver more power to the wheels".
The RON/Octane is un-changed, so chances of it making more power are so little its probably 0.1%, that's just marketing spiel."In comparison to our previous Shell V-Power Unleaded, we have rebalanced the formulation to contain 25% more Friction Modification Technology (FMT). This technology has been tested with Ferrari as part of our long standing technical partnership, and is designed to instantly reduce friction in critical engine areas and thereby help the engine to deliver more power to the wheels".
If on the other hand they'd increased the RON to say 102 then yes then all cars would make a little extra power for sure as long as the ECU can adapt to the higher RON.
BertBert said:
Ian_UK1 said:
The things I normally notice first, when going back on to high-octane fuel (if I've had to use 95-RON temporarily) are 1)a much sharper throttle response 2)a big jump in torque under 4000rpm 3)a much 'sharper' exhaust note and 4)a smoother, more powerful delivery over 4000rpm. Whilst I'd never expect anything like the same difference going from one high-octane fuel to another, what I would expect - if the V-Power Nitro was a real improvement over 'cooking' V-Power - would be at least a discernible improvement (however small) in at least one of these areas. But, there doesn't appear to be any change at all (at least from the perspective of my dulled-by-excess senses)!
That is very impressive indeed. I've never noticed any difference at all!Bert
I just fitted my Carlos Fandago rear spoiler to me 911, then decided to give the old girl a treat and fill her up with this new fangled Nitro stuff.
Blimey ................ I could tell the difference on startup on the bloody garage forcourt. Amazing
Hope the stuff aint damaged the CATS.
Blimey ................ I could tell the difference on startup on the bloody garage forcourt. Amazing
Hope the stuff aint damaged the CATS.
Ian_UK1 said:
Thorney Motorsport measured a 40BHP loss when a BMW E46 CSL was run on 95-RON compared to 99-RON. (They used both Tesco and V-Power high-octane that produced very similar results and some crap, cheapo stuff for the low-octane). So yes, there can be a bl**dy-great-big benefit, even for non-turbo engines.
Thorney Motorsport retracted their statement after finding out that the barrel of fuel sent to them by Tescos wasn't quite like the stuff you get off of a Tesco forecourtJust filled up with the Diesel version. My engine is the BMW 3.0 twin turbo diesel so should be the type of engine that benefits most from the premium fuels (so I`m told).
After 10 miles the OBC has settled at 27.9mpg, same as BP ultimate always does. It is usually 26.1 with sainsburies finest.
Thats a 7% improvement which cancels out the 6% additional cost.
Andy
Edit: Just realised Ive posted in the porsche area lol, meant to post in the main topic. I dont suppose this information is much use here
After 10 miles the OBC has settled at 27.9mpg, same as BP ultimate always does. It is usually 26.1 with sainsburies finest.
Thats a 7% improvement which cancels out the 6% additional cost.
Andy
Edit: Just realised Ive posted in the porsche area lol, meant to post in the main topic. I dont suppose this information is much use here
Edited by R26Andy on Thursday 16th May 11:55
Been running my Mx5 mk2 1.8 sport on V Power Nitro for a few weeks now (5 tanks) and WOW!!!
Compared to the old V Power which im sure just had a placebo affect for me this stuf has changed my car...
Im putting this down to clearing out my injecters etc... Engine feels so much more responsive and exhaust note noticibly more throaty... I even think its knocked half a second of my 0-60!
Compared to the old V Power which im sure just had a placebo affect for me this stuf has changed my car...
Im putting this down to clearing out my injecters etc... Engine feels so much more responsive and exhaust note noticibly more throaty... I even think its knocked half a second of my 0-60!
Do people really expect to be able to feel the difference?
Its just 99 RON fuel. Use Shell V Power or Tesco Momentum.
Any other "super" fuel is a waste of money as at best it is 97 RON and the knock sensor wont change the map on our cars until 98 is detected.
If you are happy using 95 RON (no reason not to be) then just use any fuel.
Its all the same. The additive situation is all marketing c##p. They use each others in varying doses just be to able to call thier own "product" unique.
I run a fuel Terminal.
Its just 99 RON fuel. Use Shell V Power or Tesco Momentum.
Any other "super" fuel is a waste of money as at best it is 97 RON and the knock sensor wont change the map on our cars until 98 is detected.
If you are happy using 95 RON (no reason not to be) then just use any fuel.
Its all the same. The additive situation is all marketing c##p. They use each others in varying doses just be to able to call thier own "product" unique.
I run a fuel Terminal.
rigster2 said:
Do people really expect to be able to feel the difference?
Its just 99 RON fuel. Use Shell V Power or Tesco Momentum.
Any other "super" fuel is a waste of money as at best it is 97 RON and the knock sensor wont change the map on our cars until 98 is detected.
If you are happy using 95 RON (no reason not to be) then just use any fuel.
Its all the same. The additive situation is all marketing c##p. They use each others in varying doses just be to able to call thier own "product" unique.
I run a fuel Terminal.
Nitro+ replaced v-power.Its just 99 RON fuel. Use Shell V Power or Tesco Momentum.
Any other "super" fuel is a waste of money as at best it is 97 RON and the knock sensor wont change the map on our cars until 98 is detected.
If you are happy using 95 RON (no reason not to be) then just use any fuel.
Its all the same. The additive situation is all marketing c##p. They use each others in varying doses just be to able to call thier own "product" unique.
I run a fuel Terminal.
It can be very noticeable in a turbocharged cars.
Doddington said:
Been running my Mx5 mk2 1.8 sport on V Power Nitro for a few weeks now (5 tanks) and WOW!!!
Compared to the old V Power which im sure just had a placebo affect for me this stuf has changed my car...
Im putting this down to clearing out my injecters etc... Engine feels so much more responsive and exhaust note noticibly more throaty... I even think its knocked half a second of my 0-60!
At best it will have given you 3 bhp more and can't see it making the difference you suggest.Compared to the old V Power which im sure just had a placebo affect for me this stuf has changed my car...
Im putting this down to clearing out my injecters etc... Engine feels so much more responsive and exhaust note noticibly more throaty... I even think its knocked half a second of my 0-60!
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