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My appologies if this has been debated before. However, I searched and could not find anything.
I've been searching for a a C2 but have recently been told about a C4 which appears to meet all of my other requirements. I know about the reduced boot space with the C4 etc, but I would appreciate input from those that have experienced both vehicles. Looking out the window now brings home the realisation that I will be driving it rather a lot on wet roads and in "real world" conditions rather than on the odd dry weekend.
I turn it over to the collective...
pp
I've been searching for a a C2 but have recently been told about a C4 which appears to meet all of my other requirements. I know about the reduced boot space with the C4 etc, but I would appreciate input from those that have experienced both vehicles. Looking out the window now brings home the realisation that I will be driving it rather a lot on wet roads and in "real world" conditions rather than on the odd dry weekend.
I turn it over to the collective...
pp
i ran a 993c2 for 14k about 2 years and after a brief spell in a mit jap rocket and a mad harley pick up truck im back to a 993 c4, hard to get away from these cars. to be honest its fairly hard to tell the difference in everyday driving,cog 85% of power still goes to the back, the main area for me is confidence where on a wet autumn back road i know the front wheels are helping keep me out of the hedge!!my advice is drive both but if youve found a c4 that fits your bill there is really no down side.
Just in case you happened to be lucky enough to find 2 cars exactly the same except for C2 vs C4, here's my thoughts.
I drove my C2 and someone else's C4 on one of the track days, the C2 has lighter steering and "feels" sharper and more agile, seams to be easier to "power slide". The C4 I couldn't slide it at all with the same speed, much more "grip" and feels more planted. In the wet/ice/snow, C4 would be much safer. On the track, C2 is more fun (and that does not mean faster!).
I drove my C2 and someone else's C4 on one of the track days, the C2 has lighter steering and "feels" sharper and more agile, seams to be easier to "power slide". The C4 I couldn't slide it at all with the same speed, much more "grip" and feels more planted. In the wet/ice/snow, C4 would be much safer. On the track, C2 is more fun (and that does not mean faster!).
I have 993 C4s and its nice to know you have the grip when you need it, if you drive fast round tight bends, as I did the other day and found that the corner just kept tightening.At
0mph I would have turned the car round if I had been driving a C2, instead it resulted in a good power slide nicely round the cornerand my wife just burst into tears instead of having a baby.
0mph I would have turned the car round if I had been driving a C2, instead it resulted in a good power slide nicely round the cornerand my wife just burst into tears instead of having a baby.Cheers everyone. I'll definitely be getting an inspection as it's just too much money for me to spend without some third pary input. I'm going to stick to reputable indpendent dealers as I want some type of warranty.
I've developed an ability to get a good "feel" about a car within a short time of starting to drive it. So hopefully I will not be heading for any expensive surprises.
pp
I've developed an ability to get a good "feel" about a car within a short time of starting to drive it. So hopefully I will not be heading for any expensive surprises.
pp
Only ever wanted a 993C2, being a RWD aficionado however driving 50 miles on B roads last night in the pouring rain, thought about a C4 for the first time.
Having said that my car has old contisports on it that need to be replaced. Some new tyres and it'll be pretty secure in the wet. 911s have great traction generally..
Al.
>> Edited by abarber on Monday 4th October 16:37
Having said that my car has old contisports on it that need to be replaced. Some new tyres and it'll be pretty secure in the wet. 911s have great traction generally..
Al.
>> Edited by abarber on Monday 4th October 16:37
I've been driving my 993 C2 for a couple of years now (must get round to chaning my login name..) and I've never had problems with it.
Last winter when we had some snow on the ground in Exeter (rare event and the whoel town stops) I drove to work as normal including up and down banks and it was fine. In fact I went up a hill following a bus which got stuck and had to be towed by a tractor. My C2 kept going with some sliding but nothing spoectacular.
Last winter when we had some snow on the ground in Exeter (rare event and the whoel town stops) I drove to work as normal including up and down banks and it was fine. In fact I went up a hill following a bus which got stuck and had to be towed by a tractor. My C2 kept going with some sliding but nothing spoectacular.
I have had a C2 and now have a C4. Only reason for the C4 was as a previous poster mentioned was it was bought on condition.
What I have found is that you will find it very difficult to leave rubber in first gear, hence why they are faster than C2s and there tends to be more understeer in corners. Other than that very difficult to tell the two cars apart.
What I have found is that you will find it very difficult to leave rubber in first gear, hence why they are faster than C2s and there tends to be more understeer in corners. Other than that very difficult to tell the two cars apart.
All down to your driving ability really!
Anything like mine and you'll plump for the c4 (admittedly my experience based on 964s).
OK so you'll not notice the difference in 'normal' conditions, but you'll want to give your porker a good poke every now & then - thats what its there for! I guarantee if you've not got much experience with these, the first thing you'll do when tearing round a bind corner too fast before noticing the oncoming articulated lorry is to stamp on the breaks. Fine(ish) in a C4. Broken limbs & flattened hedge in a C2.
Anything like mine and you'll plump for the c4 (admittedly my experience based on 964s).
OK so you'll not notice the difference in 'normal' conditions, but you'll want to give your porker a good poke every now & then - thats what its there for! I guarantee if you've not got much experience with these, the first thing you'll do when tearing round a bind corner too fast before noticing the oncoming articulated lorry is to stamp on the breaks. Fine(ish) in a C4. Broken limbs & flattened hedge in a C2.
Cheers everyone.
Just put down a deposit on a 993 C4 in Polar Silver.
I took the advice and chose on condition. The car drives extremely well and looks to be pristine. FSH etc. PPI should reveal all.
Should take delivery in a couple of weeks. My excitement is tempered only by the thought of my depleted bank balance.
pp
Just put down a deposit on a 993 C4 in Polar Silver.
I took the advice and chose on condition. The car drives extremely well and looks to be pristine. FSH etc. PPI should reveal all.
Should take delivery in a couple of weeks. My excitement is tempered only by the thought of my depleted bank balance.
pp
Just out of interest, why is it that the C4 will help you out when braking mid corner? I can understand the 4 wheel drive giving some understeer when powering through a corner, but I would have thought its behaviour mid corner on the brakes would be just the same as a C2. Anyone like to explain?
thx
Paul
thx
Paul
I'd have thought that if you brake really hard in the middle of a corner in a 993 then you're going sideways - laws of physics and all that.
After all, even with the better rear suspension of the 993 it's advisable not to lift off sharply mid bend, let alone slam on the brakes. You're in trouble in most cars if you really brake hard mid bend when the car's loaded up. Only way round it is to use clever electronic brake-balancing software that monitors all 4 wheels and uses accelerometers to detect impending spins...
Of course, I like to think of it as a neat Porsche trick to improve your driving - you tend to drive at the speed at which you can stop in the distance you can see.....
Interestingly enough though, I've had 3 993s and never had a scary lift-off oversteer moment... I've had power-on oversteer (usually deliberate) but not heart-in-mouth about-to-spin lift-off situations. Perhaps this is because my first fast-ish car was a 205 GTi 1.9
which has rather a reputation for it....
After all, even with the better rear suspension of the 993 it's advisable not to lift off sharply mid bend, let alone slam on the brakes. You're in trouble in most cars if you really brake hard mid bend when the car's loaded up. Only way round it is to use clever electronic brake-balancing software that monitors all 4 wheels and uses accelerometers to detect impending spins...
Of course, I like to think of it as a neat Porsche trick to improve your driving - you tend to drive at the speed at which you can stop in the distance you can see.....
Interestingly enough though, I've had 3 993s and never had a scary lift-off oversteer moment... I've had power-on oversteer (usually deliberate) but not heart-in-mouth about-to-spin lift-off situations. Perhaps this is because my first fast-ish car was a 205 GTi 1.9
which has rather a reputation for it....Paul968 said:
Just out of interest, why is it that the C4 will help you out when braking mid corner? I can understand the 4 wheel drive giving some understeer when powering through a corner, but I would have thought its behaviour mid corner on the brakes would be just the same as a C2. Anyone like to explain?
Well for one thing, ABD was standard in the 4 but not in the 2...
ABD is a special form of LSD which under acceleration allows a little slip but under braking allows a lot less slip (thereby straightening the car, or inducing understeer).
I could definitely feel the difference between ABD and no ABD (my old C4S did this, my current C2 certainly does not).
That's why it's possible to provoke the back end of my C2 out under braking when going into a roundabout.
I only need to do this because it understeers more than my old C4S - which is weird, because you'd expect the 4 cogger to understeer more. But my C4S had turbo suspension, my C2 looks like a predecessor to the Cayenne.
Time for a drop methinks. Eibach springs with Bilstein HDs or pss-9?
VS
Very easy to get the back out on my C2 mainly because just like any rwd car, lifting off at high revs when cornering very hard is like pulling the handbrake lightly. All that engine braking has to go somewhere.
1.9 205 is pansy in comparision. I had a new one and the lift off oversteer was very overrated. Great car!
S1 Elises are pretty bad for this in my experience.
1.9 205 is pansy in comparision. I had a new one and the lift off oversteer was very overrated. Great car!
S1 Elises are pretty bad for this in my experience.
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