911UK TOUR TO ITALY - 4000 miles in a GT3

911UK TOUR TO ITALY - 4000 miles in a GT3

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jackal

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Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Evening Gents. This will all be on my site but thought i might share it here too. Days 7,8,9 & 10 to follow tomorrow.






911UK to Italy 2013




How do you top an amazing 6 day tour in the Swiss alps and Italian lakes ?

Well for 2013 we doubled the mileage, added on 3 more days, threw in some incredible destinations such as Florence and Venice, the southern Pyrenees, Millau Viaduct, the Cote D'Azur, 3 laps of Monaco and a grand tour of the very best roads in Austria just for good measure.

The Alpine tour last year was always going to be a tough act to follow and in many ways we knew that it would never be beaten. The newness of it all, the honeymoon phase of 8 strangers getting to know one another, the sheer thrill and adventure of doing something for the very first time, all of these could never be repeated. So we devised to increase the size of the trip, augment its grandeur and add a little glamour into the mix as well.

Adding more stuff, just making something bigger, was of course always going to be a bit of a double edged sword. If I am being honest the 2013 Italy tour was too many miles most days. There were points when it almost did feel like a Gumball race rather than a bespoke driving holiday. It also ended up having a few impromptu changes along the way and a few morale low points as well as the highs. That said though, one thing is for certain, the highs were very high indeed and when the roads were right the driving was as good if not even more amazing than last year. What's more, everyone was delivered home safely, the intrusions from the police were less and the standard of driving and behaviour was even better than last year. It was VERY intense experience though, surreal almost at times, so concentrated and relentless that when I got home I wondered if I had actually been away at all and struggled to remember what had exactly happened whilst in the eye of the storm. Like all intense experiences it was also a very addictive one, once you'd settled into the interminable frenzied rhthym of it all. Adjusting back to normal life has been easier than last year but I still keep catching myself walking around in a bit of a daze, with an odd feeling of having lots of time on my hands and no destinations to reach.

When it was all over we all agreed that on future trips we would not choose to repeat the tough distances involved but we also confirmed that the this year had still been a resounding success and indeed many preferred it overall to the Alpine trip of 2012. For me it was also very very different in that this time I took the 996 GT3 over my 993. I hadn't quite realised just how much this would affect the trip and I'll get into more of this in the text that follows, they are two very very different cars. Suffice to say here and now that I can offer you an extremely lucid contrast between these 2 911's as an ownership proposition especially from the point of view of road driving abroad.









So here it is then, the full route less a few small detail changes. The problem with any european road trip is that getting to and from good roads eats up 2 days in itself. The Alpine trip last year really just consisted of a days driving to a general 'playground area' and then the next 5 days were all within fairly short distances from there. That's fine if all you want to do is do the french and swiss alps but if you want to pepper your route with headline destinations and a greater sense of adventure then you are going to have to add on many more days and also do a lot more miles.



The 2013 trip actually started out as a hugely ambitious trip to Istanbul and back via Romania, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungray, Albania and Bulgaria. That idea quickly gathered too much opposition though so we played around with a circular route around Spain. Familiarity with Spain then spawned something more interesting much like the eventual trip you see above with Italy as the furthest destination and a beginning ferry trip down to Bilbao from portsmouth.

When most folk ducked out of the overnight ferry idea, an extra days driving was added at the start with a first stop at la Rochelle. Unortunately this had the effect of adding a huge extra piece of driving on day 2 (la rochelle to san sebastien) and also pulling back day 2's eventual hotel stop meaning more miles to cover to day 3 as well. So what you are looking at is a route that really was designed with the Bilbao ferry in mind and I would recommend you do that if attempting anything similar yourself.











Day 1


'Insertion'
Calais to La Rochelle
430 miles



Day 1 was supposed to be a daya and night on the Bilbao ferry but after this was canned I invented a new first day stop at la Rochelle.









Believe it or not the very first casualty of the trip happened through the dartford tunnel before we'd even left blighty ! Peter queried the road surface over the radios only to be told that the road was fine in two other 911's. Sure he enough when he stopped to check he discovered he had been running on a puncture and the side walls had split really badly in severel places.



At Calais we went round a few tyre places and a very nice BMW dealer ended up phoning around for us which led us to this tyre place where a new boot was promptly fitted to the 964 C2.






Here we are parked up at the Mercure La Rochelle Vieux Port Sud, a fairly decent clean effecient sort of place with a great location on the port. Rich in his 993 C2S had had increasing trouble that day from a vibrating wheel bearing. A few calls and a look at the map and he decided to skip tomorrows day, get the car fixed at OPC Toulouse and meet us on day 3 as we re-entered France. Casualty number 2 then but hopefully easily sorted with a day out of the loop.





La Rochelle was nice enough. The food ws fairly good and it was a great place to stroll round on a sunny evening.







Day 2


'The Pyrenees'
La Rochelle to Sort
530 miles



The first part of day 2 was a tedious bit of motorway driving to get us to the San Sebastien area which was the approximate start point of the original tour using the ferry.

Rounding San Sebastian we hit a wonderful section of very fast twisty uphill motorway which became our first bit of proper driving. A short run to Pamplona and then we joined the famed N260 south of the Pyrenees. This is a wonderful stretch of road and it didn't dissapoint.













I want to mention another road though that we stumbled upon by accident. The A1604 (in red in the picture above) is my first highlight of the trip and is a section of road that runs parallel but just south of the N260 and although it was very very narrow it was just an astonishing bit of tarmac; very smooth, a myriad of never ending twists and turns, this was a real rally stage workout and just endless amounts of fun.

Taking point is only for the experienced as there isn't really enough space for any oncoming cars but that said, we only encountered one of those for the whole length of road and that was when we'd parked up for some photos. Watch out for chickens, horses, cows and goats but what an incredible road with some wonderful views to boot. To my surprise it was fantastic in the GT3 and really brought home just how nimble the Mk1 can be when it needs to be but I would also say that it would be as much fun if not more in some of the older cars too.






Parked up by the black X that's marked on the map, near to the end of this fabulous road. You can just about see the Pyrenees in the background on this foggy day.



A quick word from plod but nothing too serious.







Day 3


'Millau and Gorges du Tarn'
Sort to Villefort
380 miles





Day 3 promised some more Pyrenees driving, some fairly ordinary roads to get us to the viaduct and then a finale through the Gorges du Tarn.



We actuallly set off from Rialp rather than Sort. This little town just north of Sort was where out hotel the Vita Condes del Pallars was. This was a fairly basic place with very small simple rooms but the eggs and bacon the next morning does come highly recommended. Whilst on the subject of Sort, also be advised that there is a very large police presence there on account of the cop shop there so slow right down well before you get to the village.



Mark got up easly to jet wash his 997 C2.



After a fuel stop.



We rejoined the excellent N260 for a while but then reached what is my next highlight of the trip. This is the The Collada de Toses or N162, a very special slalom section that runs south east from Urtx. I read somewhere that Clarkson recently declared this his new favourite road. This is a very twisty mounatin pass with a long long downhill section and a never ending series of banked hairpins. The tarmac is generally really good quality and there is plenty of armco too. The quality of this road would put 99% of UK roads to shame yet it's just some indiscriminate mountain route.

The GT3 was exceptional here. The precision and security of the car was endlessley pleasurable and the exactness with which it could be steered though this road an absolute delight. Not a millemetre too much or too little steering and the car soon felt not like a car but like a super solid structure bolted to its own steel track in the road. Heeling and toeing down to 2nd for the tighter stuff and giving it plenty of tyre squeal and the odd bit of power on oversteer was very satisfying stuff and it was a chance to really dig deep into the car's grip reserves.

Sadly though I did eventually discover the limitations of my GT3's brakes here, and by the very end of this section the pedal was pretty much sinking straight to the floor as the fluid had completely boiled. Luckily it was lunchtime and we stopped for a good hour or so, allowing the car to cool off for a bit. I suspect the fluid is a bit old and I also noticed that most of the holes in my drilled disks have blocked up. Sorting this and also moving to a better fluid and a better pad will hopefully drastically improve things when I get back home.





Stopping for lunch at Ribes de Freser, just after the N162.








Cracking on through the N260 and rounding the eastern pyrenees. A chance to fix a sliding number plate.











After a bit of of Motorway (watch for a fabulous uphill section just before you reach the Viaduct) we reached the Millau Viaduct. Sadly this was not as impressive as it appears in photos. When you travel over it you can't see out of the sides and as its so large you don't really get a sense of just how high or enormous it is. It really does just feel like another road. In fact the anti clock section of the dartford bridge is more impressive because at least you are aware of the climb and the views around you.



At the rest stop it still looks quite small as well despite being the biggest in Europe. I gather there is a good vantage point where you can better appreciate its magnitude but we didn't end up going there.









I'm not certain what happened here but I can confirm that no one pulled.



A 10 minute delay behind a herd of goats.



This is my second highlight for Day 3, commonly known as the Gorge du Tarn. This is a Canyon that starts roughly at Le Rozier. It is stuninngly pretty and the route up to our eventual stop at Mas-dʼOrcières was absolutely mindblowing. This started out with a very bumpy section in the gorge with lots of very high speed left and right S bends. Gradually the road opened up with more severe curves and then the very last section, the most amazing uphill fast climb with really quick 3rd gear sweepers and an eventual climb to a plateau.

When we reached the top there just past Quezac, the low sun suddenly was streaming across the hills and we were treated to the most beautiful long undulating straight. The light was low and hazy and when the setting sun hit our cars we were afforded the first chance in a long while to pull hard in 4th gear. It was an incredible moment, deeply satisfying. The stillness and aloneness of everything around us made it all the more poignant. That was something that I won't easily forget, the never ending beauty of the French countryside graced for just a few moments by the roar of two glorious flat sixes as the end of a long hard day.





Our hotel for that night was La Refuge, a very basic hostel that became the brunt of many jokes throughout the week, mostly spurred on by the curious pictures of donkeys on the trip advisor website. Truth be told it was run by a very warm couple and the demi pension set menu turned out to be the most delicious plate of Beef Bourguignon with potato Dauphinoise. At 60E all in it was also exceptional value.









Day 4



'Route Napolean to the Cote D'Azur'
Cevennes National Park to St. Paul de Vence
350 miles





Day 4 ended up being fairly uneventful for me. It started out well enough with more half decent roads out of the national park but lots of busy urban roads followed during the difficult to traverse west to east section through the E15 and the lower point of the Vercors National park. Once we hit the days highlight, the route Napolean just south of Grenoble, we sadly hit even more traffic. Caravans, bikes and lots of slow people in general. The beginning section of route Napolean was a decent enough road with some wonderful scenery but it was just too frustrating trying to make any decent headway. By the time we hit Sisteron time was running late and I was pretty tired too.

A couple of us elected to take the E712 to Marseilles and then head straight for Nice on the motorway. As is turned out not only did we not get to the hotel for that night any earlier than the others but also, just past Digne, the route Napolean opened up a bit and apparently overtaking was a synch and the rest of the guys had a pretty good drive on it. That said, the consensus seemed to be that the last section was good but no better than many other roads we've been on on any other tour and certainly not amongst the best. My message therefore would be that the route Napolean is not really all its cracked up to be and you can do far far better elsewhere. If you have to drive it then avoid the northern section at all costs and get involved beyond the commune of Digne Les Bains but when all is said and done, there is no substitute for emptiness and freedom from other cars.











Stopping for some lunch at Mens just before joining the Route Napolean, just south of Grenoble. We were hounded by some stag party here, lots of drunk French blokes spoiling for trouble. We calmed them down a bit though and they ended up being quite helpful and recommending us the Cafe des Arts.





Somewhere near Tailard the Route Napolean has some very fast flat sections. The bikers around there seemed good about warning us of speed traps and cameras. Two ducks got separated from the main pack though and gave chase to catch up. The French police were really great though and let the guys off massively, acknowledging what good cars and strong brakes we all had !



Heading into Nice with a strong comforting sense of belonging. It felt like going home to me as i've spent so much time there since I was literally a baby.





If Day 4 had been the most disappointing so far in respect of the driving, then the evening did go some way in making amends. The hotel at St. Paul de Vence, La Vague, was a newly opened establishment and fabulously modern throughout. I think I was actually the first person to use my room and the bar and dining areas were also in pristine unused condition. La Vague was also the cheapest hotel in St. Paul that I could book but I suspect that the prices are introductory at the moment to give it a marketing boost so get in there quick if you are planning on visiting. The staff were extremely friendly and the breakfast outstanding, notable for having both 3 minute and 5 minute boiled eggs on offer and cooked to perfection as well.





The town of St. Paul is a very old and beautiful walled medieval town, former home to many well known actors, artists and celebrities with stunning views of the French Riviera and some of the prettiest cobbled streets you have ever laid eyes on. The last time I was here was 20 years or so ago when I stayed at the house of the german actor Curd Jurgens (the villain Karl Stromberg in "The Spy Who Loved Me") whose daughter was a friend of mine. All those years ago I dined at the very famous La Columbe D'Or restaurant and hotel, run by the Roux family and situated at the entrance to St. Paul. This time round it seemed only right to visit again.



The food at La Columbe D'Or does not in any way match the prices or the name that this place carries so be warned. No, it is a place to be enjoyed for its atmosphere, setting, wonderful outdoor terrace and of course its art. You will see Miros, Picassos, Matisses, Leger's, work by Chagal, Modigliani and Calder casually adorning the walls, corridors and outdoor areas. If you want to read the extraordinary list of famous people who have frequented this place over the decades then have a quick google as well, you couldn't make it sound more impressive if you made it up.




















Day 5




'Coast road to Florence'
St. Paul to Firenze
352 miles





Unfortunately on the back of day 4, day 5 was always destined to be pretty uneventful driving wise. Faced with a straight run to Florence taking in as much of the coast as possible we decided to cut our losses, reduce the driving time a little and take as much motorway as possible instead.



It wasn't without a few high points though. The first of these was 3 laps of the Monaco GP circuit. We got a lot of attention here and gave the crowds something extra to look at. It was fascinating to drive the circuit as the grid markings and many of the stands were still in place only 2 weeks after the actual 2013 race. The tiny length of the course as well as the narrowness of it all really is an eye opener.











Monaco seemed as glamorous and as alluring as I always remembered it. The views from the hills on the eastern exit roads were absolutely stunning. The GT's of Jackal and Wiz here get a good look before heading east.




Yes please !



As we left Monaco and made some serious speed on the motorway into Italy, we had an encounter with a lovely 991S. This beast was owned by a really nice Russian chap and his girlfriend who were holidaying down to the Italian lakes. He played along with us for many many miles, riding in tandem and showing us what his 991 could do ... a mighty quick car by any standards and very impressive for what is just a regular non blown, non GT 911.



As we hit the airport road to Florence the traffic became really poor. At one point we had to come off the motorway just to get round a complete blockage that was at a standstill for at least the length of a whole junction. The weather was poor here too and the dullness and tiresome progress made was alleviated only occassionlly like when we went past this appreciative Italian chap in his beautiful silver 911T.



As per the emerging pattern of '911uk Italy 2013', any poor driving days always seemed to be very handsomely rewarded by that day's eventual destination. All was forgiven once stepping onto the hotel Belverdere's balcony at Florence and within another hour or so we were walking onto the Ponte Vecchio with a stunning sunset firing down the river.








Florence was as amazing as ever. Nothing can prepare you for the sight of the Basilica di Santa Maria del Fiore, surely one of the most beautiful buildings in the world.



The beers weren't bad either !





Day 6



'All roads lead to Venice'
Florence to Lido de Jesolo
196 miles






Day 6, was always intended as a quick sub 200 miles run to Jesolo and the plan was to spend the whole afternoon and evening in Venice. The thing is this is Italy you are talking about and any trip should factor that in. The direct roads can be poor, congested and fraught with problems. A very simple journey ended up taking us many many hours and we eventually got to the hotel well after 6pm. This was supposed to be our one guaranteed day of driving respite but like all the days on this trip, the driving turned out to be much longer and time consuming than planned or anticipated. The route here was direct motorway stuff apart from the wonderful SP65 that runs parallel to the Motorway up to Bologna (marked in red). This is a very long twisty route which comes highly recommended and is fantastic for the slower aircooled cars.







We arrived at the hotel Righetto in Lido de Jesolo just in time for a quick swim. Within 10 minutes of parking we all had the shorts on and ran into the adriatic after an afternoon's worth of hot bothersome commuter driving.



After a quick dip the hotel ordered us a car taxi and water taxi from the end of the Jesolo penninsula into Venice. So one minute there we were strolling up the beach from the seas and then the next instant we were all in an 8 man taxi van. A short 5 minute drive to Punta Sabbioni and then we were quickly ushered into a private boat. I'd barely sat down and suddenly this thing rears its nose up and lists very steeply to the left as someone shouts "I think this is the 911 of water taxis !".

That pretty much set the tone because within seconds the young reckless Italian driver had the thing up to 40 knots or so and was caning it over the rough wake and carving the thing left and right like some sort of thrill ride. "Where are you from" he asked and when I said "London" he flicked the steering wheel sharply left then right then left again, and gave the motor another slug of extra throttle. So there we were were, eight guys grinning their faces off, holding on for dear life, speeding towards St. Marks Square; probably the single most memorable moment of the trip.

I'd never been to Venice before and I could feel the excitment and anticipation rapidly rising in me. By the time we were actually coasting toward St. Mark's square it was almost like I was trembling inside. Nothing can prepare you for Venice. There is no other place I know of that will foretell or let you glimpse into the experience of this place. If you haven't been then you simply have to at some point, preferably sooner rather than later. You need money though, lots of it. Everything seemed to be 150 Euros whether it was a Gondola, a Water Taxi or a decent evening meal for one person.





















After a stroll round we went back to St. Mark's Square to catch the ferry of the five star hotel Cipriani which took us to our evening meal.



The Cipriani is a top draw place and has a big tie in with the Orient Express trip I believe as well. We ate in the "casual" restaurant but it still cost us a small fortune each even with just a limited servcing of wine. I'm guessing the smarter restaurant must be 200 or 300 Euros a head.






The food I had was the best all holiday and the view overlooking St. Marks Square was truly memorable.





When we took the ferry back to the main island we opted to seek out a bit of value and found a very nice specialist beer cafe so it was Chimay's all round before heading for the water taxi home.








Days 7, 8, 9, 10 to be added shortly

Edited by jackal on Tuesday 18th June 20:35

AlR26

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162 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Fantastic!

marky911

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219 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Phwoarr, you crammed some miles in there alright.

Looks ace though.

How was the car Jackal?

Great pics and write up as usual. Makes me just want to grab some clothes, my bank card and car keys and hit the road! Damn.

mollytherocker

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209 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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You even went to Venice! Just fantastic.

jackal

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Tuesday 18th June 2013
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the car was fab ....

i think my focused 993 is fun more of the time, in part because you have a bit more character, noise and low speed fun and its not quite so demanding or tiring

but on the right road, when driven technically and properly, the GT3 reaches a higher high and is more rewarding and more challenging

i'll cover it all in the conclusion but basically it was ace and monumentally fast point to point when the roads played to its character ...

Edited by jackal on Tuesday 18th June 20:35

Nurburgsingh

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238 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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its not like your website gets me into enough trouble as it is!!!!

Nurburgsingh

5,118 posts

238 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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its not like your website gets me into enough trouble as it is!!!!

Nurburgsingh

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238 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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its not like your website gets me into enough trouble as it is!!!!

Ady128

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143 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Fantastic! It beats my trip around France about 25 years ago in an MG Midget! I must do some sort of European tour sometime.

m33ufo

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231 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Wow...amazing. Florence has to be one of my favourite locations.

Aizle

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175 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Loved your 2012 video, I trust a similar will follow?

What's your website?

jackal

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Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Hiya, yes the video will come in time


Just google jackals forge for the site

Crimp a Length!

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Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Bloody fantastic, that's what these cars are made for.
Great sites & roads by the looks of it.

Far Cough

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Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Did a similar trip 2 years ago with pretty much the same route but we did it anticlockwise. Looks like you are having great fun. Safe driving and get those new tyres and brake pads ordered up for your return !!!!

Davey S2

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254 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Epic

r1flyguy1

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176 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
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I've done the N260 on both a bike and in a Porsche, awesome road,

You route virtually mimics one I have done a couple of time, fantastic smile

keep it lit

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Wednesday 19th June 2013
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you just can't beat summer euro-tours smile

Solarized

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141 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
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Supoib pics and write up as alwaysthumbup

rob.kellock

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192 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
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Superb thread - thanks for posting.

You did well to take all those photos - I generally get carried away with the moment and forget!

jackal

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Wednesday 19th June 2013
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thnaks guys, photos are a mixture of everyones so tons to choose from:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97552520@N06/