What next, if not Pork?
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MOD500 said:
the banana is the first sports car I have not wanted to sell after 4 weeks..honest!
and yet you seem to be thinking about doing so already Master Mod. MOD500 said:
Germanic white socks and black slip-ons here we come.
Ah, that'll be the Mods...
Sorry to barge in on the Porsche forum chaps, not much else doing out there... and all me mates seem to be moving over here anyway
If I could afford it in a few years time, I might consider giving up the soft top for a 360 Challenge
>> Edited by burriana500 on Thursday 14th October 14:28
dds1 said:
the CSL is just about one of the most underrated cars in the world. you wouldn't regret that.
Can't believe why anyone would buy a CSL, as it is into A MK1 or even a MK2 GT3 price teratory
Have read numerous tests against the standard M3, with very little or no diference between them.
GT3 beats it at its own game IMHO
Glenn McMenamin said:
dds1 said:
the CSL is just about one of the most underrated cars in the world. you wouldn't regret that.
Can't believe why anyone would buy a CSL, as it is into A MK1 or even a MK2 GT3 price teratory
Have read numerous tests against the standard M3, with very little or no diference between them.
GT3 beats it at its own game IMHO
Sorry but completely wrong.
You could now get a v low mileage less than 1 year old CSL for 45k. on a UK track there is NOTHING between the CSL and GT3
The tests are so far off the mark in the real world it's untrue - CSL laps the nurburgring 4 secs quicker than a mk2 GT3...(given the same driver)
>> Edited by dds1 on Thursday 14th October 15:54
dds1 said:
the CSL is just about one of the most underrated cars in the world. you wouldn't regret that.
I'm afraid that all you'd be doing every time you drove it is hoping you don't see a 355GTB on the road.
355's are not difficult to drive. The pedals are heavier than a Mondeo's, but manageable for anyone. It's a wide car, but you get used to that too.
Buy a 355, keep it for a year and you've lived a dream. You can sell it a year later and have lost less money than the CSL. If you can bear to get rid.
The CSL may well be underrated, but that probably has alot to do with BMW overrating what they thought they could sell it for.
dds1 said:That's interesting, figures I just got from EVO #60 for another thread give a different picture:
The tests are so far off the mark in the real world it's untrue - CSL laps the nurburgring 4 secs quicker than a mk2 GT3...(given the same driver)
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit lap times
79.95s for BMW M3 CSL
79.40s for 911 GT3.
Performance figures in the test were
0-60 CSL=5.3, GT3=4.3
0-100 CSL=12.0 GT3=9.2
This is quite a gap to bridge, track or straight line. Do you have the reference for the Nurburgring lap times? I'd have thought the above result would have been more exaggerated at the Ring...
Glenn McMenamin said:
the CSL is just about one of the most underrated cars in the world. you wouldn't regret that.
Can't believe why anyone would buy a CSL, as it is into A MK1 or even a MK2 GT3 price teratory
Have read numerous tests against the standard M3, with very little or no diference between them.
GT3 beats it at its own game IMHO
I hear what you're saying but it's all down to practicality, old chap.
I'd like more pork but the better half is already doing her nut about the expense of running 3 cars (2 of which are very much under used together with the fact she never drives the 993).
As she's just bought a new Cooper the 205 will go at some point
I'm just waiting to see what happens to CSL residuals after 3 or 4 years.
Saying that I might just get the 355 before the patter of tiny feet can be heard, then I'll be forced to buy an M5
turbobloke said:
The tests are so far off the mark in the real world it's untrue - CSL laps the nurburgring 4 secs quicker than a mk2 GT3...(given the same driver)
That's interesting, figures I just got from EVO #60 for another thread give a different picture:
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit lap times
79.95s for BMW M3 CSL
79.40s for 911 GT3.
Performance figures in the test were
0-60 CSL=5.3, GT3=4.3
0-100 CSL=12.0 GT3=9.2
This is quite a gap to bridge, track or straight line. Do you have the reference for the Nurburgring lap times? I'd have thought the above result would have been more exaggerated at the Ring...
sure. www.track-challenge.com - got to comparison
burriana500 said:
the banana is the first sports car I have not wanted to sell after 4 weeks..honest!
Maybe in a few years, I have much to learn of the 911 yet I think.
As an aside, hopefully a Yorkshire chap I have been chatting to via Rennlist.com will be registering on here soon. He has a 993TT with equal or more power than any 911 to have attended Brunters so far.....honest.
dds1 said:Thanks, that's a neat site. Note it gives the GT3 Cup time as 1 s faster than the CSL, nothing in it. One thing you can't help but spot though is that the tests are on different dates so the Ring conditions will be different, and I couldn't find any detailed info on that to put the comparisons into context. Even so, great site.
sure.www.track-challenge.com- go to comparison
turbobloke said:
sure.<a href="http://www.track-challenge.com">www.track-challenge.com</a>- go to comparison
Thanks, that's a neat site. Note it gives the GT3 Cup time as 1 s faster than the CSL, nothing in it. One thing you can't help but spot though is that the tests are on different dates so the Ring conditions will be different, and I couldn't find any detailed info on that to put the comparisons into context. Even so, great site.
Did you take a look at the detail comparison (behind overview) gives all relevant data including speeds through each corner etc.
People dont seem to realise 1.4 lateral G in the CSL gives it quite an advantage throught high speed corners, they are also quite sensitive to set-up, same as the GT3, the difference between a well / poorly set up version of each would be a good few seconds. It's personal opinion that counts i guess, but too many people dismiss the CSL without having driven it hard. i'd argue my old CSL was as much fun to drive as my GT2.
My 993TT is the last and final car I ever want.
I plan to hang on to this. The 996 TT or any other 996 doesn't interest me in the least.
If I suddenly won the lottery I would perhaps consider a Maclaren F1 or perhaps augment my 993 TT with a 993 RS as well or even an original 911 RS from 1972!
I plan to hang on to this. The 996 TT or any other 996 doesn't interest me in the least.
If I suddenly won the lottery I would perhaps consider a Maclaren F1 or perhaps augment my 993 TT with a 993 RS as well or even an original 911 RS from 1972!
The CSL times are with Pilot Cup tyres. R rated tyres are usually worth several seconds a lap on a short circuit and are not allowed on Nurburgring road car lap records.
Quite a sh*te result to barely beat a GT3 on road tyres, then. Also, the CSL has pants brakes. Take the worst part of an M3 and don't improve it. Fantastic.
Quite a sh*te result to barely beat a GT3 on road tyres, then. Also, the CSL has pants brakes. Take the worst part of an M3 and don't improve it. Fantastic.
murph7355 said:
the CSL is just about one of the most underrated cars in the world. you wouldn't regret that.
I'm afraid that all you'd be doing every time you drove it is hoping you don't see a 355GTB on the road.
355's are not difficult to drive.
It's a wide car, but you get used to that too.
Buy a 355, keep it for a year and you've lived a dream.
You can sell it a year later and have lost less money than the CSL. If you can bear to get rid.
Seconded on all points - I've just bought a 348 Spider... I love it, and the wife, who didn't like driving the TVR, likes driving this one.
If you don't put a huge mileage on it, you won't lose a lot in depreciation.
I've been driven in a CSL at some pretty hairy speeds over undulating twisty roads - sounds awesome and goes like hell - but it has no soul, it is just Teutonic perfection - buy one for the race track, not for the road.
MOD500 said:
As an aside, hopefully a Yorkshire chap I have been chatting to via Rennlist.com will be registering on here soon. He has a 993TT with equal or more power than any 911 to have attended Brunters so far.....honest.
More than 510bhp? Now that sounds interesting
Sorry for the ignorance Martyn, but could you sum up in say, 3 simple short bullet points, the main difference between your and M.Rexs 993TTs and Daz's 996TT - I, probably totally wrongly, assumed the later car would have more power, better handling - is this not the case?
abarber said:
The CSL times are with Pilot Cup tyres. R rated tyres are usually worth several seconds a lap on a short circuit and are not allowed on Nurburgring road car lap records.
Quite a sh*te result to barely beat a GT3 on road tyres, then. Also, the CSL has pants brakes. Take the worst part of an M3 and don't improve it. Fantastic.
I agree (although I wouldn't say it was as much as several seconds on a short track) - this point is often overlooked in track time comparisons. I spent a day on the Dubai Autodrome yesterday and it was amazing how noticeable the difference was between GT3's on Cup tyres and those on standard Pilot Sports.
>> Edited by Harris_I on Friday 15th October 11:47
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