Damaged C4S

[mookle234]

Being new to the Porsche world I wanted to ask the collective whether 24k for a LHD Carrera 4S with some accident history (now fully repaired) was a fair price.

I can't seem to find many examples to compare it with as the model seems pretty rare. The ones I have found are in excess of 30k.

The car looks and drives great. I am also planning on getting it Autoligned thanks to advice by Ninemiester.

Any opinions gratefully received.

[nel]

I think this car has already been discussed with the conclusion "you'd be mad" - see the latter part of this thread:

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130462&f=48&h=0

[mookle234]

Thank you,

Yes, I piggy backed another thread about another car which had already been sold.

I hoped to get a few more eyeballs on my particular dilemma, most importantly - is the car miles overpriced?

993 Carrera 4S
LHD
accident damaged but fully repaired
69,000 miles
2 owners
FSH

=24K

From what I can see it doesn't seem it but I am new to the market

I don't think I am necessarily averse to a car with damage as long as its been properly repaired.

Cheers

[uktrucks]

Using UK pricing for a full history c70k miles RHD car of c£33,000 retail and LHD at c£8k behind, this equates to c£25,000 retail, less 10-15% for repaired but on Inspected register. That makes it c£22k tops retail with warranty, autoalign test done etc etc.

Trade would be around £7k behind this to allow for any details overlooked, comebacks, sale of goods act etc. So if you are buying it privately don't pay more than £18 or 19k

Forgot to say most 70,000 mile 993's will need wishbones, clutch and a few other major items by then, so watch out for those items too.

Allan

>> Edited by uktrucks on Thursday 21st October 22:31

[rubystone]

You've had my opinion, but let's look at a different angle - when you come to sell the car.....(forget about Pxing it - the trade will slaughter you, assuming they even want to touch the car....)

So when you come to sell the car then...

I believe that the 993 is heading in the direction of the "specialist" car. These are bought by very fussy people. The audience for your car will be limited by the following facts:-

Its lhd

Its not a low mileage car

It will still be on the register - regardless of whether it has been autolined or not - it still appears as a Cat C damaged repaired car.

Not everyone likes the big hipped look

Not everyone wants 4wd

All this is IMHO of course and I am sure you'll love the car if you do buy it

[mookle234]

Thank you very much, Allan

Are these figures for a 4S?

[mookle234]

Thanks as well Rubystone.

The car is actually not on any register as damage was incurred in Europe. Still I take your points - well made and very helpful

[uktrucks]

mookle234 said:

Thank you very much, Allan Are these figures for a 4S?

Yes. A 70,000 mile RHD 993C4S can be had privately for c£33,000. I saw a black 59,000 in Hemel recently [ on PH classifieds] for £33k, when pushed owner said he would accept less from trade buyer.

I only offer my opinion as I hate to see people making costly errors of judgement on emotional car buying.

If you want a good dealer comparitor, Joel at RSJ in Slough usually has LHD cars avail and there is a dealer in Nottingham ? who only does LHD.
These guys will give you a good indicator on UK retail for a "normal one"
As for not being on any UK register, that is good but you really need to ensure, before parting with your hard earned that the car has been repaired to a standard that there are no tell tale signs, i.e. runs in the paint, good panel gaps, look inside doors to ensure they are the same colour etc etc .

Good luck out there.

Allan

[GreigM]

Seems a bit too expensive to me, but I'm not expert in 993s.

You'll also have the problem that it is a LHD and accident damaged, which will be like having the plague come re-sell and people definitely won't buy this privately.

On the flipside, if you get it inspected and it does seem to be a good repair job then you will have yourself a superb 993C4S for a cheap price, and if you keep it for a good few years you possibly won't loose a lot in depreciation because a 993 priced under £20K would be very attractive to someone.

So basically I'm unsure....as the price is so low it may be ok.....if it was a £50K car I wouldn't touch it, but for these numbers....hmmmm....

[rubystone]

Sorry about that - I missed the point about it not being on the UK register. That solves that problem, privded that the repair is absolutely 100% and totally undetectable (check the paintowrk thoroughly -especially curved panels, rain gutters etc to see whether anything shows up there).

If you get it autoligned, I wonder whether they might then add it to the register? I guess it makes sens to check that out before you go ahead with autolign. Not that you'd want to hide its history, but there's no point in advertising the fact that it has had a shunt abroad, especially if the repair is undetectable.

If it's come from Germany, make sure the green logbook shows that it is "unfallfrei" i.e. not wirtten off. ISTR that the logbook can be overstamped with this legend.

[johnfm]

If you are going for LHD anyway, why not look in Germany?? Go look on www.mobile.de

You will find LOADS of 911s for sale, both trade & private. They will probably be MUCH cheaper than buying from the UK and the cars, I hear, are generally extremely well looked after. It will be a memorable adventure too, I expect!

[mookle234]

Thanks a lot guys,

Yes, I think the consensus is that for what it is - its on the expensive side and will be bloody hard to shift when the time comes. Perhaps around the 20k mark would be a fairer reflection of its specification and history?

Thanks again for your contributions.