Is the 991 GT3 the greatest 911 and Sportscar ever made?
Discussion
Carl_Docklands said:
Don't start you lot 
Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
maybe, its due to in the GT3 you have to be on it, as in at 9-10s in order to get the best out, the tts, just does it all with so much ease......Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
APOLO1 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Don't start you lot
Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
maybe, its due to in the GT3 you have to be on it, as in at 9-10s in order to get the best out, the tts, just does it all with so much ease......Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
SonnyM said:
APOLO1 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Don't start you lot
Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
maybe, its due to in the GT3 you have to be on it, as in at 9-10s in order to get the best out, the tts, just does it all with so much ease......Anyone got hold of the sport auto article who speaks German?, want to know if and why they gave the turbo the nod over the gt3...
All down to choice
APOLO1 said:
I'm still trying to work out if you're a wind-up merchant or actually serious when you post this kind of thing....You post a 0-60mph video (which is over in 3 seconds) showing the most advanced 4wd car on the market beating a 2wd car as an attempt to corroborate your claim that the turbo has similar power ???
What do you think happens above 60mph ? or from a roll when the 4wd and launch control don't come into play ? You think any of these scenario's will also help you prove the standard turbo has 600ps ?
ZeroH said:
APOLO1 said:
I'm still trying to work out if you're a wind-up merchant or actually serious when you post this kind of thing....You post a 0-60mph video (which is over in 3 seconds) showing the most advanced 4wd car on the market beating a 2wd car as an attempt to corroborate your claim that the turbo has similar power ???
What do you think happens above 60mph ? or from a roll when the 4wd and launch control don't come into play ? You think any of these scenario's will also help you prove the standard turbo has 600ps ?
AndyBrew said:
To be fair there is no massive advantage gained in that video off the line, the Mclaren appears to hold it's own on the launch, maybe the Porsche's gearing is more 0-60 friendly?
0.5s is a sizable advantage 0-60mph (2.9s v 3.4s)... video edit isn't ideal but its at least a car length ahead within 3s, which is impressive. My point is simply that this can't be used to demonstrate power. mhh said:
That one shows the launch advantage much more clearly and then the Macca reels 'em in I'm sure there are cars that offer a certain type of customer a better experience if what they are looking for is a completely unaided drive where every input they make is directly responsible for what their car does. Whether the car is faster or not isn't the point, it's a feeling they enjoy. Personally, I feel that if you're interested in balancing a car at the edge of it's limiits, you should only being doing this on a track. And that's a specific hobby for some. But I don't believe it's the be all and end all of what a 'sports' car is. No more than arguing that sports cars are all about being the absolute fastest. To me they are about so much more. That's just an opinion but I suspect it's an opionion shared by the vast majority of buyers of sports cars from different makers and through different eras of time. According to James Hunt the most fun he had was in his Austin van!
What makes the 991 GT3 possibly the greatest sports car ever is the fact that it can do so many things so well.if your mother can get in and have a wonderful joyous experience then that's great as far as I'm concerned. The more people a car can bring the joy of motoring to, as a fun thing to do as opposed to a functional act of getting from a to b, the better that car probably is as a 'sports' car. No one should need blinding car skills honed over hundreds of laps of practice to enjoy a car. And if many of the buyers of the 991gt3 do want to go tracking and hone their skills, I am positive that it provides a fantastic range of capabilities to facilitate that. Perhaps there is some extreme high end zone where the car does begin to cut in but that's of relevance to very few people in real terms. And those types have more extreme options anyway.
I support Porsches imperative of building 911's that have the broadest range of capabilities and appeal. It's what makes them so special and so endearing to so many people. Right now, IMHO, the best sports car you can get,,in the world, for the money, bang for buck, oomph, handling, practicality, looks, fun and yes, reliability per euro spent, is a mark one 996 Carerra with sports exhaust. I can't think of anything that comes close.
What makes the 991 GT3 possibly the greatest sports car ever is the fact that it can do so many things so well.if your mother can get in and have a wonderful joyous experience then that's great as far as I'm concerned. The more people a car can bring the joy of motoring to, as a fun thing to do as opposed to a functional act of getting from a to b, the better that car probably is as a 'sports' car. No one should need blinding car skills honed over hundreds of laps of practice to enjoy a car. And if many of the buyers of the 991gt3 do want to go tracking and hone their skills, I am positive that it provides a fantastic range of capabilities to facilitate that. Perhaps there is some extreme high end zone where the car does begin to cut in but that's of relevance to very few people in real terms. And those types have more extreme options anyway.
I support Porsches imperative of building 911's that have the broadest range of capabilities and appeal. It's what makes them so special and so endearing to so many people. Right now, IMHO, the best sports car you can get,,in the world, for the money, bang for buck, oomph, handling, practicality, looks, fun and yes, reliability per euro spent, is a mark one 996 Carerra with sports exhaust. I can't think of anything that comes close.
anonymous said:
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Yeah, but that's only one dimension of a sports car. It's like saying the most attractive woman is the one with the largest you know what. There are so many aspects that make up the package of desirability, the experience of enjoyment, the love of ownership. If a car was ugly. no matter how it drives, I wouldn't be interested in owning it. If it was uncomfortable on the road where it spends all it's life, then I wouldn't be interested in owning it, no matter how few drivers aids it had. That sounds like NOBLE territory to me, Exige etc. I love 911's because they can do as much performance driving as the overwhelming majority of drivers demand, and a whole lot more besides. Hence their brilliance. And huge success, particularly in recent years. It's easy to build a fast hard car track car. Men in their garages re doing it all the time all over the world. You can take any old 1970s saloon and do it quite cheaply. If that's your gig. Most of us want more than that, usually because the majority of us have one sports car, not a selection of different ones for different occasions.
I find it very difficult to compare cars between generations. Looking back at cars I have owned, there were some that in their particular class were pretty unbeatable at the time. ( something like the E39 M5 would be an example). Would that make them 'best' now? No.
To be specific about the GT3:
(1) I have not driven it
(2) I expect the reviews are collectively accurate in terms of it being very good.
As someone with a leaning towards the RS, I have had one reserved at the dealer for some time. I made the decision to sell my 997.2 RS and hang on to the 997.1 so I would not get into the endless issue of PDK vs manual. It is such a subjective issue. I do not think that on a cost-no-object basis the GT3 is the greatest ever. Again, with no personal experience, would you rate the GT3 against (say) the McLaren P1?.
Will the 991 RS be 'better' than (say) the 4.0?it will surely be different, so I think that there will really be a choice of driving experience of each of us. From a personal point of view the 3.8, which I had for four years was without doubt the most tactile and communicative car I have ever owned.
So, in summary I do not think the question can be properly answered. Suffice it to say that it seems to be an extraordinarily good car.
To be specific about the GT3:
(1) I have not driven it
(2) I expect the reviews are collectively accurate in terms of it being very good.
As someone with a leaning towards the RS, I have had one reserved at the dealer for some time. I made the decision to sell my 997.2 RS and hang on to the 997.1 so I would not get into the endless issue of PDK vs manual. It is such a subjective issue. I do not think that on a cost-no-object basis the GT3 is the greatest ever. Again, with no personal experience, would you rate the GT3 against (say) the McLaren P1?.
Will the 991 RS be 'better' than (say) the 4.0?it will surely be different, so I think that there will really be a choice of driving experience of each of us. From a personal point of view the 3.8, which I had for four years was without doubt the most tactile and communicative car I have ever owned.
So, in summary I do not think the question can be properly answered. Suffice it to say that it seems to be an extraordinarily good car.
According to the Telegraph the Porsche Boxster is the best car in the world at any price. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/10851266/Porsc...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/10851266/Porsc...
APOLO1 said:
C,
For me the box is the best part of the car....
Same....and I have an early 73 RS and was an avid stick shift publicist. For me the box is the best part of the car....
The 991 GT3 simply blows that theory into the weeds. The chassis and engine take over, and you utterly forget about the stick. Never thought I'd say that....but there it is.
A few weeks back I had courtesy of the local opc a few days with a c2s,c4s ,turbo,cayman all with pdk,overall I was left a bit cold by them .
I can see the advantages and have defended their use ,but honestly a week with those 991s left me with a revised opinion.You are removing a large part of the interaction ,that isn't disputable.What is important is whether that is important to yourself ,if I had to use one car daily and lived in the uk then a pdk box makes total sense.However Im lucky and can have a car for daily use and a toy and the toy will as much as possible always have a manual box,I really dont care if I am 5 seconds slower with one,I would be having a lot more fun.
As I said it one of those its personal choice ,no right or wrong.
I can see the advantages and have defended their use ,but honestly a week with those 991s left me with a revised opinion.You are removing a large part of the interaction ,that isn't disputable.What is important is whether that is important to yourself ,if I had to use one car daily and lived in the uk then a pdk box makes total sense.However Im lucky and can have a car for daily use and a toy and the toy will as much as possible always have a manual box,I really dont care if I am 5 seconds slower with one,I would be having a lot more fun.
As I said it one of those its personal choice ,no right or wrong.
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