Is the 991 GT3 the greatest 911 and Sportscar ever made?
Discussion
Penguinracer said:
How do you define "Best"?
Should you use a weighted compensatory decision-making model incorporating both qualitative & quantitative criteria?
The criteria weightings will be as subjective as the assessed criteria scores themselves.
These Decision Making Models seldom reflect the organic nature of human decision-making which often involves cognitive associations stretching way back into old memories & unstated emotional connections e.g. liking something because you associate it with someone dear to you who had an association with that object, place, activity or aspiration.
Bottom Line: It's a non-question from a consumer behaviour perspective - it's deeply personal.
The best 911 TO you is the one you like the most. Which isn't the same as asking what is the best 911 FOR you - that's a question of useage, practicality & circumstance.
Exactly. I put together an objective score chart for a 458, McLaren MP4 12C and Lamborghini LP570-4 Performante. Can't remember the exact 10 criteria but whilst the scores were very close ( 3 points spread out of 100 )I bought and paid more for the one that scored, on paper, the least points - the Lambo ?????Should you use a weighted compensatory decision-making model incorporating both qualitative & quantitative criteria?
The criteria weightings will be as subjective as the assessed criteria scores themselves.
These Decision Making Models seldom reflect the organic nature of human decision-making which often involves cognitive associations stretching way back into old memories & unstated emotional connections e.g. liking something because you associate it with someone dear to you who had an association with that object, place, activity or aspiration.
Bottom Line: It's a non-question from a consumer behaviour perspective - it's deeply personal.
The best 911 TO you is the one you like the most. Which isn't the same as asking what is the best 911 FOR you - that's a question of useage, practicality & circumstance.
The reason why - it was the car that received the most attention from the public and was by far the most FUN to drive regardless of any worthless stats
Murcielago_Boy said:
ETA: I don't trust the motoring press at all. Even the much-hailed EVO. They hoon the cars over world-class roads for a few days and come to their conclusions there. CRAP. Your 991 GT3 has to be fun and engaging at 40mph heading on the A40 out of London... not just the f**king Stelvio Pass. And that's why my 5pence look like they're heading towards older cars which are fun to drive slowly.
Great post. Most motoring journos are pretty average behind the wheel and are allocated cars by high end manufacturers on the basis of their acquiescence. It's their job to hyperventilate every time Ferrari or Porsche chuck them the keys to the latest bauble.Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Thursday 21st November 11:07
Most motoring journos aren't parting with their own hard-earned, and the few who can afford high-end cars often have inherited wealth - which just isn't the same.
When it's your cash, it's a highly emotional decision, the look, the sound, the idiosyncrasies, support of SWMO, the heritage, materials, colour, tactility etc.
That's why in some ways Top Gear makes so much sense to non-car geeks (compared to specialist magazines like Evo, Autocar, Car etc) - it's just a bunch of mates sitting around in a pub talking about which one they like - because when it comes to spending big money - that's all that really matters.
When it's your cash, it's a highly emotional decision, the look, the sound, the idiosyncrasies, support of SWMO, the heritage, materials, colour, tactility etc.
That's why in some ways Top Gear makes so much sense to non-car geeks (compared to specialist magazines like Evo, Autocar, Car etc) - it's just a bunch of mates sitting around in a pub talking about which one they like - because when it comes to spending big money - that's all that really matters.
I think we have definitely reached that turning point where the latest and so called greatest isn't anymore.
I've never been one for classics, always embracing the latest technology and appreciating the steps forward but either I'm getting old and growing a beard because the latest cars are not really appealing to my need of FUN and not just outright speed from a car.
My F355GTS is pretty, fun, reasonably fast and handles well enough but I always feel a little more power wouldn't go a miss but the LP570-4 has it all in abundance and I can't believe anyone would benefit from anymore power, speed or handling on a public road.
LP570-4 Performante a future classic and last and best of a living legend, the Gallardo. Amen
I've never been one for classics, always embracing the latest technology and appreciating the steps forward but either I'm getting old and growing a beard because the latest cars are not really appealing to my need of FUN and not just outright speed from a car.
My F355GTS is pretty, fun, reasonably fast and handles well enough but I always feel a little more power wouldn't go a miss but the LP570-4 has it all in abundance and I can't believe anyone would benefit from anymore power, speed or handling on a public road.
LP570-4 Performante a future classic and last and best of a living legend, the Gallardo. Amen
AndyBrew said:
V8KSN said:
I can't help but get the feeling that the posters vociferously defending the 991 GT3 are those that just want the latest and greatest toy that the journalists say is a good car.
You don't know me.It wasn't directed to any individual.
I am looking forward to the first 'real' reviews of the 991 GT3 from members when they get them. I wouldn't mind a go in one myself actually, any chance I can borrow yours when it gets delivered?
t this is better than any 458, mclaren so on. right.GRBF430F1 said:
I think we have definitely reached that turning point where the latest and so called greatest isn't anymore.
I've never been one for classics, always embracing the latest technology and appreciating the steps forward but either I'm getting old and growing a beard because the latest cars are not really appealing to my need of FUN and not just outright speed from a car.
My F355GTS is pretty, fun, reasonably fast and handles well enough but I always feel a little more power wouldn't go a miss but the LP570-4 has it all in abundance and I can't believe anyone would benefit from anymore power, speed or handling on a public road.
LP570-4 Performante a future classic and last and best of a living legend, the Gallardo. Amen
I think we have our very own Lambo-Sidicks here. I've never been one for classics, always embracing the latest technology and appreciating the steps forward but either I'm getting old and growing a beard because the latest cars are not really appealing to my need of FUN and not just outright speed from a car.
My F355GTS is pretty, fun, reasonably fast and handles well enough but I always feel a little more power wouldn't go a miss but the LP570-4 has it all in abundance and I can't believe anyone would benefit from anymore power, speed or handling on a public road.
LP570-4 Performante a future classic and last and best of a living legend, the Gallardo. Amen
spareparts said:
Don't be ridiculous. Have you forgotton your roots? Everyone here knows it must be...
Have you forgotten yours?
Greatest sports car is so subjective, why bother discussing it? Why not spend time getting acquainted with all of the great sports cars - read, watch, listen and make up your own mind - and then buy the damn thing!
Robbo66 said:
I think we have our very own Lambo-Sidicks here.
As I have a Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo I like to think I have an impartial but valid opinion.My 991 GT3 is a Jan build but I can't get as excited about that as the Lambo. TBH I've been overwhelmed by the car its just unlike anything else out there and so much fun
Carl_Docklands said:
you can't ignore the steady and persistent claims from some sections of the motoring press that this car is the real deal and the best 911 ever made.
Its got me thinking, if this is true, then by association is it not the best sports car ever made?
Articles:
'It’s the best 911. Ever.’
Autocar - Steve S
'could be the best sports car ive ever driven'
This sort of journo hyperbole is completely meaningless. I'll be more interested in the opinions of those who actually run the cars over a prolonged period and don't just suffer from the short-lived sugar rush.Its got me thinking, if this is true, then by association is it not the best sports car ever made?
Articles:
'It’s the best 911. Ever.’
Autocar - Steve S
'could be the best sports car ive ever driven'
Some good points.
Here is another
Road & Track - 'It might just be the best Porsche ever.' 'Maybe the best Porsche road car in the company’s history'
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-driv...
I really enjoy the reviews, road and track, Harris' stuff etc and think the GT3 looks to be awesome. Saw the new turbo S yesterday at OPC and it looked a weapon and you can't help but want one a little bit.
Problem is that all these GT3 reviews (and most other) are done on closed roads (or at least with a team using comms to warn of traffic etc)/circuits where the driver really can explore the car's limits (and you'd have to be a very handy driver to get close)
But how great would the reviews be if they were limited to their side of the road, to 70mph, to 4 cars behind a caravan. Unless you're truly happy endangering your licence (other road users ?) could you really enjoy the greatest 911 ever?
Pretty sure I'd feel hamstrung by the law of the land and everyone else on the road (I know I do now in a gen2 S). If that's the case is it the greatest 911 ever, if it can barely get out of second gear?
Of course none of this matters if the ultimate destination for the car is the track, so please ignore. Also this doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't have a GT3 (I enquired yesterday) because the child in me can't help it. Carry on.
Problem is that all these GT3 reviews (and most other) are done on closed roads (or at least with a team using comms to warn of traffic etc)/circuits where the driver really can explore the car's limits (and you'd have to be a very handy driver to get close)
But how great would the reviews be if they were limited to their side of the road, to 70mph, to 4 cars behind a caravan. Unless you're truly happy endangering your licence (other road users ?) could you really enjoy the greatest 911 ever?
Pretty sure I'd feel hamstrung by the law of the land and everyone else on the road (I know I do now in a gen2 S). If that's the case is it the greatest 911 ever, if it can barely get out of second gear?
Of course none of this matters if the ultimate destination for the car is the track, so please ignore. Also this doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't have a GT3 (I enquired yesterday) because the child in me can't help it. Carry on.
Murcielago_Boy said:
(dunno about this 991 GT3 though. It's still irritating me that it's badged "GT3" but the racing engine and direct link with track has gone -
I think you have hit the nail on the head with that statement. Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Thursday 21st November 11:07
To me the GT3 has always been a Basic, Raw, No frills drivers car. Kind of a modern version of the old 911’s. From the sound of it the new one will be anything but that.
Perhaps it should have been called the ‘911 SuperSport’
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