Is the 991 GT3 the greatest 911 and Sportscar ever made?
Discussion
Carl_Docklands said:
Some good points.
Here is another
Road & Track - 'It might just be the best Porsche ever.' 'Maybe the best Porsche road car in the company’s history'
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-driv...
And Meaden's view was he had more fun in the earlier car.Here is another
Road & Track - 'It might just be the best Porsche ever.' 'Maybe the best Porsche road car in the company’s history'
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-driv...
Check out the prospective owner's thread. It's all about heated seats, stitching colours and granny slipper interior. Tells you a lot about the type of purchasers and so how porsche will position the GT3. (Tongue in cheek, guys)
If you are worried about going too fast too easily, I would have thought the turbo s was far worse!
If you are worried about going too fast too easily, I would have thought the turbo s was far worse!
ORD said:
Check out the prospective owner's thread. It's all about heated seats, stitching colours and granny slipper interior. Tells you a lot about the type of purchasers and so how porsche will position the GT3. (Tongue in cheek, guys)
If you are worried about going too fast too easily, I would have thought the turbo s was far worse!
The 991 TS & the GT3 will, I expect, result in more licence losses than prior models.If you are worried about going too fast too easily, I would have thought the turbo s was far worse!
Harris_I said:
And Meaden's view was he had more fun in the earlier car.
And in the sane article the other writers were stating how the 997 GT3 RS 4.0 didn't see which way the 991 GT3 went on B roads etc, so while I agree that the track is the best place to exploit the capabilities of the new car, I don't see that being any different than for any of the more recent models.
Mermaid said:
f1ashgordon said:
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Of course none of this matters if the ultimate destination for the car is the track, .
This is one GT3 that has more road appeal, and target at a much broader audience and designed to snare in customers form other brands e.g Ferrari, AstonOf course none of this matters if the ultimate destination for the car is the track, .
Lots of them happy to boast of sustained use at 160mph+ on the roads without the faintest idea of how to drive properly - no race driver myself but a horribly jerky disjointed passenger ride in a manual 997 turbo with these clowns was enough to convince me not to come along to their regular outings.
BSRS said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
(dunno about this 991 GT3 though. It's still irritating me that it's badged "GT3" but the racing engine and direct link with track has gone -
I think you have hit the nail on the head with that statement. Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Thursday 21st November 11:07
To me the GT3 has always been a Basic, Raw, No frills drivers car. Kind of a modern version of the old 911’s. From the sound of it the new one will be anything but that.
Perhaps it should have been called the ‘911 SuperSport’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_GT3
But if the regulations are going to change dramatically the 911 could lose its GT3 badge anyway in the future (in place of a Gen 2 GT3) and it could be transferred to the rumoured 960 / 961 mid-engined platform.
Who knows... Either way the GT3 has been the best road car ever made for many years.
sidicks said:
Harris_I said:
And Meaden's view was he had more fun in the earlier car.
And in the sane article the other writers were stating how the 997 GT3 RS 4.0 didn't see which way the 991 GT3 went on B roads etc, so while I agree that the track is the best place to exploit the capabilities of the new car, I don't see that being any different than for any of the more recent models.As an aside, I wrote to evo about their group test of different generations of GT3s suggesting that had they used a journo who was also a 911 race specialist (by which I mean one who can extract a pro lap time - in the entire mag industry, you can count those on the fingers of one hand), they would have spotted the particular 996.2 they used was crocked from the start. They didn't publish my letter, presumably because of the aspersion cast on the competence of the journo who had written the article. Oh well....
SonnyM said:
I'm no expert, but I have read that GT3 is a group of regulations for racing cars homologated with road car counterparts. If the 991 GT3 is not going to homologated as part of the race series it should no longer carry the GT3 badge - it is misleading to customers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_GT3
But if the regulations are going to change dramatically the 911 could lose its GT3 badge anyway in the future (in place of a Gen 2 GT3) and it could be transferred to the rumoured 960 / 961 mid-engined platform.
Who knows... Either way the GT3 has been the best road car ever made for many years.
In WEC which includes Le Mans, its now the GTE class. Am and pro divisions.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_GT3
But if the regulations are going to change dramatically the 911 could lose its GT3 badge anyway in the future (in place of a Gen 2 GT3) and it could be transferred to the rumoured 960 / 961 mid-engined platform.
Who knows... Either way the GT3 has been the best road car ever made for many years.
So really, that should be on the back of the er..... C4S.
Porsche, sort this out!
sidicks said:
I've read many informed and informative posts from Steve on this forum over a number of years, however his previous one in this thread does him no favours.
I can appreciate his (subjective) opinion about the evolution of the GT3 and his expectations for the 991 version of the car, but his statements about a car he has not driven (and which are hugely at odds with those who have) are very disappointing, if not plain stupid.
I am sorry that you are offended by my post. Let me qualify it a little more. I can appreciate his (subjective) opinion about the evolution of the GT3 and his expectations for the 991 version of the car, but his statements about a car he has not driven (and which are hugely at odds with those who have) are very disappointing, if not plain stupid.
Any driver who has the ability to extract the performance from a car - especially a 911 which is particularly rewarding - will not enjoy the driving experience of one that has electronic driving aids. Typically these cut in near or at 10/10's immediately creating a barrier between the driver and the Chasis. Effectively becoming another variable at precisely the time that the driver requires a constant. To a driver who does not have - or cannot be bothered the learn - the ability to extract the full performance of a Chasis, such aids will be of benefit. It may even help him become a legend in his own mind. That is unless he ever wishes to learn his craft. If he wants to do that, he will need a passive car. If he doesn't, he will be fine - providing he only ever drives assisted cars.
Cars with electronic aids serve to widen the gap between competent drivers and incompitent drivers. Driving any vehicle to a high standard demands a varied skill set that is hard learned. They will however allow a driver of moderate skill to drive very quickly. To me, you are living in a fools paradise. That is not my definition of a sports car. To me, it is a virtual sports car.
It depends on which side of the fence you sit. On my side of the fence, the 991 is not- and never will be - a great sports car.
Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 23 November 00:24
Steve Rance said:
I am sorry that you are offended by my post. Let me qualify it a little more.
Any driver who has the ability to extract the performance from a car - especially a 911 which is particularly rewarding - will not enjoy the driving experience of one that has electronic driving aids. Typically these cut in near or at 10/10's immediately creating a barrier between the driver and the Chasis. Effectively becoming another variable at precisely the time that the driver requires a constant. To a driver who does not have - or cannot be bothered the learn - the ability to extract the full performance of a Chasis, such aids will be of benefit. It may even help him become a legend in his own mind. That is unless he ever wishes to learn his craft. If he wants to do that, he will need a passive car. If he doesn't, he will be fine - providing he only ever drives assisted cars.
Cars with electronic aids serve to widen the gap between competent drivers and incompitent drivers. Driving any vehicle to a high standard demands a varied skill set that is hard learned. They will however allow a driver of moderate skill to drive very quickly. To me, you are living in a fools paradise. That is not my definition of a sports car. To me, it is a virtual sports car.
It depends on which side of the fence you sit. On my side of the fence, the 991 is not- and never will be - a great sports car.
Well said Steve. For me, this is mostly a black and white or binary issue, you either get it or you dont.Any driver who has the ability to extract the performance from a car - especially a 911 which is particularly rewarding - will not enjoy the driving experience of one that has electronic driving aids. Typically these cut in near or at 10/10's immediately creating a barrier between the driver and the Chasis. Effectively becoming another variable at precisely the time that the driver requires a constant. To a driver who does not have - or cannot be bothered the learn - the ability to extract the full performance of a Chasis, such aids will be of benefit. It may even help him become a legend in his own mind. That is unless he ever wishes to learn his craft. If he wants to do that, he will need a passive car. If he doesn't, he will be fine - providing he only ever drives assisted cars.
Cars with electronic aids serve to widen the gap between competent drivers and incompitent drivers. Driving any vehicle to a high standard demands a varied skill set that is hard learned. They will however allow a driver of moderate skill to drive very quickly. To me, you are living in a fools paradise. That is not my definition of a sports car. To me, it is a virtual sports car.
It depends on which side of the fence you sit. On my side of the fence, the 991 is not- and never will be - a great sports car.
Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 23 November 00:24
I am no hand, and certainly nowhere near someone like you, but I try to improve all aspects of my driving and car control and I dont see how this is possible when inputs are being corrected and altered by a CPU!
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