**** GT3 Worldwide Action Group Letter to PAG & Dealers ***

[V8KSN]

It amazes me that people who DONT have a 991 GT3 (either delivered or ordered) are telling others how they should feel about this whole situation.

[HoHoHo]

RushSpeed said:

HoHoHo said:

You've not quite grasped the quote thing yet.....

Anyway - I'm amazed a man of your wealth and intellect hasn't simply made either a personal visit or a telephone call to the DP of your OPC and asked nicely for a loan car - I'm sure that could have been arranged as it has for other owners..........

Oh, hang on a minute - your GT3 was never delivered yet you still want a lone car.......

Alternatively ask for your 50% (circa £60,000) deposit back until your car is ready for delivery, invest it for a few months and then give it back when it is ready less interest (won't be much but then again it is your money)

Simples

You can write properly when you are water skiing in the land of the rich!- hence quotes are all over the place.

You obviously do not read people's views properly in order to comment constructively. I have been trying to get a loan car for the last 4 weeks and I cannot just "pop" to my OPC as it is over 200 miles away and a business that I got to run.
Ohh sure let me tell my employees that the boss is going to spend nearly a whole day just going to a dealer on the off chance that the manager is there and they give a car there and then. If I wrote that I would castigated by ohh people like you!

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's none of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 13:10

[HoHoHo]

RushSpeed said:

HoHoHo said:

Personally - I'd be cautious and wouldn't book a non-refundable trip if there was any doubt my car would be here...........and even at that stage of the year we were all aware through threads how Porsche's delivery of the GT3 (when it didn't have a problem) was iffy at best.

I think certain owners need to be careful they don't tar all with the same 'spoiled brat' brush

Again you did not read my situation hence why this is going on and on - you are making up your own version.

There was no doubt what soever in Jan when I received a letter and verbal from Porsche that my car will be with me in early March! They said that not me. I even stated to them mid/end March, no was reply definitely early March. So I should not have believed them according to you (hind sight is wonderful, we can be perfect when we use it). In the age of countless communication/media hardware etc I don't need to physically go there like some Viking warrior, this is Porsche and if you cannot expect basic from a company like this then maybe we all should go and drive Kia's.

I've had new (Vanilla) cars from Porsche and even those don't have set in stone delivery dates until they are on the boat.

I don't blame you for booking, but you need to do so with your eyes open perhaps?

Clearly we need to agree to disagree

[RushSpeed]

HoHoHo said:

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's non of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

"it's non of my employees business as I don't answer to them"


You know what - you said the best thing possible. Take your own advise and do that!

[Koozy]

langdale said:

Koozy said:

How is this spot on? If either of you owned a GT3 you'd know that all our various insurers have told us that our insurance is not currently valid so we cannot drive our cars even if we wanted to!!

Koozy I hadn't realised this fair enough although im assuming you all still have a nice loan car to be getting along with however

No worries. My OPC offered me a Panamera which I declined (completely different type of car and not something I needed at the time). I've no issues with the actions of my OPC, they're just caught in the middle.

To the diesel Mini guy, all most of us are asking for is better communication and parity. Take an extreme example, if there was a global recall of Mini D's, and you found out all non-UK customers were getting c.£9k (£100 a day for three months) whilst you got nothing, would you be happy????

[HoHoHo]

RushSpeed said:

HoHoHo said:

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's non of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

"it's non of my employees business as I don't answer to them"


You know what - you said the best thing possible. Take your own advise and do that!

[Robbo66]

I am in the same position as the poster who seems to be the twin brother of a well know character from Viz.
Car was due March 1st.
In my view I am not entitled to a loan car. I have not taken delivery.
I would never expect Porsche to compensate me for some trip I had booked to Button Moon. Imagine the scope for fabrication.
Those with car who had it collected. Compensation/loan car.
Those due for delivery with a delay....deal with it as I and many others are.

[AndrewD]

alscar said:

I think Rushspeed should reread my post which was clearly a misguided attempt to calm people like him down - As Apolo said read the small print.But perhaps more importantly am curious why his OPC didnt lend him a car like most appear to have done - thats where and with whom his frustration lies - not sure where the successful or otherwise bits of our lives came from though although clearly cancelling hotels etc doesnt sound very sucessful to me.

When you say OPCs have loaned cars to customers, how do you know this?

They haven't, as it happens. It has been very hit and miss.

And even when you get a loan car, by definition it is the least Porsche should do, to do what is simply right. I could have bought the C2S loan car I eventually got from PCGB (note, not OPC), but I didn't because I wanted a GT3. Nice though the C2S is.

[AndrewD]

HoHoHo said:

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's none of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 13:10

See my post, this is not how it has been working. Perhaps you should start listening to why people feel aggrieved than spouting inaccurate hearsay or even things you just made up

[RushSpeed]

Robbo66 said:

I am in the same position as the poster who seems to be the twin brother of a well know character from Viz.
Car was due March 1st.
In my view I am not entitled to a loan car. I have not taken delivery.
I would never expect Porsche to compensate me for some trip I had booked to Button Moon. Imagine the scope for fabrication.
Those with car who had it collected. Compensation/loan car.
Those due for delivery with a delay....deal with it as I and many others are.

Got rid of one kermit along comes another. READ MY POST PROPERLY.
I have NEVER asked Porsche to compensate me for the road trip. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!

What happened is before I had even ASKED, Porsche thought they had already given me a loan car; this was according to their system.

So this was obviously what they intended to do before I even thought about it. But once I notified them, in the first week of April, that this is not the case, with all the toing and froing, there is still no loan car. To be told by them they have given me a car when they have not and then fail to organise one after 4 weeks promise - is not acceptable!! Is that ok in your world? Surely not.
I am not looking for compensation for the trip I just want Porsche to meet their own service standards but this is just one small example of what has happened to me, I can go on with other issues - guess what this is my second 991 GT3 so I can expect some consideration, no? Or shall I get over it!

[Ryanodine]

Robbo66 said:

I am in the same position as the poster who seems to be the twin brother of a well know character from Viz.
Car was due March 1st.
In my view I am not entitled to a loan car. I have not taken delivery.
I would never expect Porsche to compensate me for some trip I had booked to Button Moon. Imagine the scope for fabrication.
Those with car who had it collected. Compensation/loan car.
Those due for delivery with a delay....deal with it as I and many others are.

So, are you in group B or C of the WAGs comp matrix?
If car due on March 1st then Porsche must owe you at least €5000 by now?

[RushSpeed]

Robbo66 said:

I am in the same position as the poster who seems to be the twin brother of a well know character from Viz.
Car was due March 1st.
In my view I am not entitled to a loan car. I have not taken delivery.
I would never expect Porsche to compensate me for some trip I had booked to Button Moon. Imagine the scope for fabrication.
Those with car who had it collected. Compensation/loan car.
Those due for delivery with a delay....deal with it as I and many others are.

When you take your car for it's service are you offered or do you ask for a courtesy car?

You are not entitled to a courtesy car but I bet you ask for one and bet still disappointed when you don't get one. If you want to remain silent far play no problem but if what we are doing in terms of shouting from the roof tops achieves better communication from Porsche to all it's car owners around the world then we have succeeded in at least that.

You may be happy to sit and contemplate your naval but there are those of us that have to stand and be counted in order to improve things for everyone!!

Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 14:31

[HoHoHo]

AndrewD said:

HoHoHo said:

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's none of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 13:10

See my post, this is not how it has been working. Perhaps you should start listening to why people feel aggrieved than spouting inaccurate hearsay or even things you just made up

Perhaps you should read the post I responded to.

RushSpeed said:

I have been trying to get a loan car for the last 4 weeks and I cannot just "pop" to my OPC as it is over 200 miles away and a business that I got to run.

Yet again, kettle and pot

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 14:36

[RushSpeed]

HoHoHo said:

AndrewD said:

HoHoHo said:

Pick up phone and speak to DP, speak to him and arrange for a date and time to pick up a loan car......not that difficult is it?

If it were that important to me (as it appears to be to you) I'd then travel 200 miles to pick it up (or alternatively have it delivered to my local OPC)

I run my own business, travel all over the world and know how busy that can be. However I don't worry however if I have a day off for a private matter, it's none of my employees business as I don't answer to them.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 13:10

See my post, this is not how it has been working. Perhaps you should start listening to why people feel aggrieved than spouting inaccurate hearsay or even things you just made up

Perhaps you should read the post I responded to.

RushSpeed said:

I have been trying to get a loan car for the last 4 weeks and I cannot just "pop" to my OPC as it is over 200 miles away and a business that I got to run.

Yet again, kettle and pot

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 14:36

What are on about now? Thought you went away or was that hoped!

[HoHoHo]

RushSpeed said:

What are on about now? Thought you went away or was that hoped!

AndrewD does seem to accuse various posters of various things that he's quite good at himself

Anyway, back on topic - will be interesting to see Porsche's response to the letter.

[chelme]

Sierra Mike said:

rosino said:

SonnyM said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...

This in itself is a great achievement with some press covering the debacle... whilst PH and Autocar pretend it's ok to award prizes to a car that is currently not even roadworthy

The automotive press are part of the same automotive industry as the automotive manufacturers. Unfortunately it's no surprise. The last time anyone took a stand it was Chris Harris with his story about Ferrari on Jalopnik.

HOW FERRARI SPINS by Chris Harris
I told the blokes here at Jalopnik I was pissed at Ferrari and wanted to tell a few people. They said I could do it here. Stay with me, this might take a while.

I think it started in 2007 when I heard that Ferrari wanted to know which test track we were going to use for Autocar's 599 GTB road test, but in reality the rot had set in many years earlier. Why would it want to know that? "Because," said the man from the Autocar office, "The factory now has to send a test team to the circuit we chose so that they can optimize the car to get the best performance from it." They duly went to the track, tested for a day, crashed the car, went back to the factory to mend the car, returned, tested and then invited us to drive this "standard" 599. They must have been having a laugh.
continues http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

Needless to say, he was banned by Ferrari and therein lies the problem. You've got to respect Chris for his integrity. I don't blame publications for publishing nothing rather than the truth in case the truth comes back to bite them.

You have to be kidding right? CH's integrity? Get real, there was not an ounce of evidence CH could rely on...What is a disgrace is that here we HAVE evidence, and journos are keeping quiet about it...

[berty37]

Chaps..few questions I have if I may..
Firstly did all your insurers contact you to say as per the communication from Porsche AG about your car we would like to say your insurance becomes invalid if you decide to continue to drive it? ..Reason I ask this I remember there were literally thousands of cars recalled recently by Toyota for sticking throttles which of course is very serious too..I just cant imagine Direct Line and the likes being on bulletin boards from manufacturers on recalls - as we are agreed this is what this is - a shambles but still a recall. This is why I suspect Porsche have not banned you from driving it as this opens them up for all sorts of litigation issues - sales of goods act etc.

I understand only too well how frustrating it can be when you have a great car in the garage which you are not supposed to drive," Porsche boss Matthias Mueller told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine.
"I can also understand why customers are disgruntled but safety is not something you can compromise on."

Do you have a plan B too?...If Porsche AG very politely and professionally (in their eyes) say we have offered through the dealers Porsche cars as much as we can in the meantime and we are not at liberty to discuss individuals compensation or indeed compensation plans in various Countries - i.e 'do one' What will your stand be then?
It took that chap Nick Murray in the U.S 1 million Youtube hits before Porsche gave him his money back on his 991S debacle. I really do hope you all get what you want but I think unless you make a real stand and tell them 100 of you are willing to give the cars back and walk away they will just say its a safety recall.

[alscar]

Andrew D , If a trusted OPC tells me he has loaned cars where requested I tend to believe him - I dont mind whether you believe me or not as thats not the point of posting.

[RushSpeed]

alscar said:
I think Rushspeed should reread my post which was clearly a misguided attempt to calm people like him down - As Apolo said read the small print.But perhaps more importantly am curious why his OPC didnt lend him a car like most appear to have done - thats where and with whom his frustration lies - not sure where the successful or otherwise bits of our lives came from though although clearly cancelling hotels etc doesnt sound very sucessful to me.

AndrewD said:
When you say OPCs have loaned cars to customers, how do you know this?

They haven't, as it happens. It has been very hit and miss.

And even when you get a loan car, by definition it is the least Porsche should do, to do what is simply right. I could have bought the C2S loan car I eventually got from PCGB (note, not OPC), but I didn't because I wanted a GT3. Nice though the C2S is.

alscar said: Andrew D , If a trusted OPC tells me he has loaned cars where requested I tend to believe him - I dont mind whether you believe me or not as thats not the point of posting.

RushSpeed replied:
Again not reading the post: AndrewD said OPCs ( plural) as in more than one. Your OPC may be very good and adhere to what they state but not all including mine do. Again as AndrewD stated "it has been very hit and miss". We try to be as factual as possible in order to get "outsiders" to understand that this has become somewhat an unnecessary problem brought by on by Porsche themselves which doesn't include the initial problem of bolt snap or so we are told?

Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 16:04

[alscar]

Rushspeed , point made , but this is the issue - you have tried to purchase from an OPC who has clearly let you down , 100 people writing to Porsche Ag ( well vw obviously ) is ( unfortunately for you ) not going to achieve anything. Speak to the DP but I appreciate too late to salvage your Spain trip. As others seem to think that unless u own or have tried to own a 991 u cannot comment there is little point trying to give a view as those affected cannot or will not see that they cannot win - rightly or wrongly.