**** GT3 Worldwide Action Group Letter to PAG & Dealers ***
Discussion
AndyBrew said:
The bottom line is the only strength you have is to get a refund and they don't care about that because they have a queue of people lining up to buy the car 
After that last pitiful letter, I asked myself a question, what do I want to make me happy, and my answer was a good loaner until my car was delivered because after selling my 997 GT3 I was missing out on some great weather for driving, however that was the crunch point, there were s
t loads of other cars I would be more than happy to have in the garage the 991 GT3 was not the only option for me so what was I messing about at???
I got all my money back bought myself a cracking car within 48 hours that I am absolutely loving and I can now sit back and watch this mess unravel and if everything sorts itself out and the car doesn't continue to melt I can buy Richards in three years time for £75K
Hear hear!After that last pitiful letter, I asked myself a question, what do I want to make me happy, and my answer was a good loaner until my car was delivered because after selling my 997 GT3 I was missing out on some great weather for driving, however that was the crunch point, there were s
t loads of other cars I would be more than happy to have in the garage the 991 GT3 was not the only option for me so what was I messing about at???I got all my money back bought myself a cracking car within 48 hours that I am absolutely loving and I can now sit back and watch this mess unravel and if everything sorts itself out and the car doesn't continue to melt I can buy Richards in three years time for £75K
Life moves on, I must admit to being in the dark as to current Aston models - I've long been a fan of William Town's era V8's, your V12 sounds epic!.
An older GT3 was, for me, a great move. I've already done more than 100 times the miles I managed in my 991 GT3, this week I'll extend those miles by a thousand or two more.
So it's ok to produce cars with chocolate engines and sell them for 120k with a few extras ? Autocar should only concentrate it's coverage on the next Tata or Dacia because the masses of the world need that?
How about we shoot everybody at EVO because clearly they shouldn't even exist as they use paper to only publish about performance cars.
Get real
How about we shoot everybody at EVO because clearly they shouldn't even exist as they use paper to only publish about performance cars.
Get real
Robbo66 said:
I am also a little concerned about involving the media at all levels. This could well backfire. I can see the headlines now...
'Chinless Wonders worry about a delay in their Porsche delivery while Mother of 8 can't pay for Pot Noodle for Christmas'..
Fine lines here....
Yes 'Chinless Wonders worry about a delay in their Porsche delivery while Mother of 8 can't pay for Pot Noodle for Christmas'..
Fine lines here....
I do wonder how many out there will feel your pain.Sierra Mike said:
rosino said:
SonnyM said:
This in itself is a great achievement with some press covering the debacle... whilst PH and Autocar pretend it's ok to award prizes to a car that is currently not even roadworthyHOW FERRARI SPINS by Chris Harris
I told the blokes here at Jalopnik I was pissed at Ferrari and wanted to tell a few people. They said I could do it here. Stay with me, this might take a while.
I think it started in 2007 when I heard that Ferrari wanted to know which test track we were going to use for Autocar's 599 GTB road test, but in reality the rot had set in many years earlier. Why would it want to know that? "Because," said the man from the Autocar office, "The factory now has to send a test team to the circuit we chose so that they can optimize the car to get the best performance from it." They duly went to the track, tested for a day, crashed the car, went back to the factory to mend the car, returned, tested and then invited us to drive this "standard" 599. They must have been having a laugh.
continues http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins
Needless to say, he was banned by Ferrari and therein lies the problem. You've got to respect Chris for his integrity. I don't blame publications for publishing nothing rather than the truth in case the truth comes back to bite them.
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
I'd like to say thank you again to everyone who is supporting this initiative. It's been a privilege to witness community spirited and like minded individuals come together and support each other as car enthusiasts who care about what's right. We have members who have selflessly revealed their compensation packages at the risk of losing that package because they think it's right. We've had offers of marketing, secretarial and administrative support. We've also been offered the services of lawyers in the UK as well as attorneys in the US free of charge. We're not looking for a legal fight but for Porsche to act in good faith. Each day more customers ask to join the Group which grows because they've had enough of Porsche's consistent failure to meet its customers' expectations.
We didn't need to start this initiative but it was the right thing to do. I hope everyone benefits from this experience from 991 GT3 customers to Porsche customers for the rest of its range to Porsche itself. I hope Porsche pulls its finger out, does the right thing and listen to its customers. I don't think that's asking too much.
I'd like to say thank you again to everyone who is supporting this initiative. It's been a privilege to witness community spirited and like minded individuals come together and support each other as car enthusiasts who care about what's right. We have members who have selflessly revealed their compensation packages at the risk of losing that package because they think it's right. We've had offers of marketing, secretarial and administrative support. We've also been offered the services of lawyers in the UK as well as attorneys in the US free of charge. We're not looking for a legal fight but for Porsche to act in good faith. Each day more customers ask to join the Group which grows because they've had enough of Porsche's consistent failure to meet its customers' expectations.
We didn't need to start this initiative but it was the right thing to do. I hope everyone benefits from this experience from 991 GT3 customers to Porsche customers for the rest of its range to Porsche itself. I hope Porsche pulls its finger out, does the right thing and listen to its customers. I don't think that's asking too much.
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
I'd like to say thank you again to everyone who is supporting this initiative. It's been a privilege to witness community spirited and like minded individuals come together and support each other as car enthusiasts who care about what's right. We have members who have selflessly revealed their compensation packages at the risk of losing that package because they think it's right. We've had offers of marketing, secretarial and administrative support. We've also been offered the services of lawyers in the UK as well as attorneys in the US free of charge. We're not looking for a legal fight but for Porsche to act in good faith. Each day more customers ask to join the Group which grows because they've had enough of Porsche's consistent failure to meet its customers' expectations.
We didn't need to start this initiative but it was the right thing to do. I hope everyone benefits from this experience from 991 GT3 customers to Porsche customers for the rest of its range to Porsche itself. I hope Porsche pulls its finger out, does the right thing and listen to its customers. I don't think that's asking too much.
I agree with everything you've said except your last sentence.I'd like to say thank you again to everyone who is supporting this initiative. It's been a privilege to witness community spirited and like minded individuals come together and support each other as car enthusiasts who care about what's right. We have members who have selflessly revealed their compensation packages at the risk of losing that package because they think it's right. We've had offers of marketing, secretarial and administrative support. We've also been offered the services of lawyers in the UK as well as attorneys in the US free of charge. We're not looking for a legal fight but for Porsche to act in good faith. Each day more customers ask to join the Group which grows because they've had enough of Porsche's consistent failure to meet its customers' expectations.
We didn't need to start this initiative but it was the right thing to do. I hope everyone benefits from this experience from 991 GT3 customers to Porsche customers for the rest of its range to Porsche itself. I hope Porsche pulls its finger out, does the right thing and listen to its customers. I don't think that's asking too much.
Robbo66 said:
DT398 said:
I'd love to watch that episode where they wheeled out the "compensation matrix" and highlighted the claim for "distress" on the part of the £105k per pop Porsche customers. That would get a bucket load of sympathy from the typical watchdog audience. I get the lease costs, insurance, loan car part of compensation but "distress"? Really?
I am also a little concerned about involving the media at all levels. This could well backfire. I can see the headlines now...'Chinless Wonders worry about a delay in their Porsche delivery while Mother of 8 can't pay for Pot Noodle for Christmas'..
Fine lines here....
Don't ya mean..... Blurred lines
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
are you a member on Rennlist
Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 07:44
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
are you a member on Rennlist
Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 07:44
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
are you a member on Rennlist
Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 07:44
a) You weren't intellectual enough
or
b) You disagreed with the compensation package for 991 GT3 owners
or
c) You speak your mind
This has been a great initiative, well done SM and Macca on behalf of those who have a real stake in this.
IMO Porsche won't ignore it, after Nick's viral campaign the last thing they should be looking for is to appear arrogant and take their customers for granted. These things have a habit of snowballing, and today we have over 100 owners out of circa 800 worldwide (?) who felt strongly enough to get together and speak with one voice.
I have much sympathy for the mother of 8 who can't buy a pot noodle for Christmas, of course, but whether she supports this or not isn't all that important since she was probably not going to feature for Porsche as a potential customer.
IMO Porsche won't ignore it, after Nick's viral campaign the last thing they should be looking for is to appear arrogant and take their customers for granted. These things have a habit of snowballing, and today we have over 100 owners out of circa 800 worldwide (?) who felt strongly enough to get together and speak with one voice.
I have much sympathy for the mother of 8 who can't buy a pot noodle for Christmas, of course, but whether she supports this or not isn't all that important since she was probably not going to feature for Porsche as a potential customer.
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
HoHoHo said:
APOLO1 said:
Sierra Mike said:
It's interesting to note the difference in reaction between the Pistonheads and Rennlist communities posted on their respective forums.
You sound surprised at this......don't be....its all down to the haves and have not's.
Rennlist is a dedictaed Porsche site, PH isn't.
You don't need to be Columbo to see they'll have a slightly different opinion
are you a member on Rennlist
Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 07:44
a) You weren't intellectual enough
or
b) You disagreed with the compensation package for 991 GT3 owners
or
c) You speak your mind
AndrewD said:
This has been a great initiative, well done SM and Macca on behalf of those who have a real stake in this.
IMO Porsche won't ignore it, after Nick's viral campaign the last thing they should be looking for is to appear arrogant and take their customers for granted. These things have a habit of snowballing, and today we have over 100 owners out of circa 800 worldwide (?) who felt strongly enough to get together and speak with one voice.
I have much sympathy for the mother of 8 who can't buy a pot noodle for Christmas, of course, but whether she supports this or not isn't all that important since she was probably not going to feature for Porsche as a potential customer.
I agree, Hats off guys well done. As I have said before, crap can happen. I can live with that. But the general lack of clear communication along with the disparity in the compensation/loss if any, is just not fair.....imvIMO Porsche won't ignore it, after Nick's viral campaign the last thing they should be looking for is to appear arrogant and take their customers for granted. These things have a habit of snowballing, and today we have over 100 owners out of circa 800 worldwide (?) who felt strongly enough to get together and speak with one voice.
I have much sympathy for the mother of 8 who can't buy a pot noodle for Christmas, of course, but whether she supports this or not isn't all that important since she was probably not going to feature for Porsche as a potential customer.
The problem is you cannot have your cake and eat it - at the end of the day its a recall and it must be really irritating and frustrating but its a recall - unless you have suffered real financial loss - booked and paid for track days maybe , dimmunation of value no way , distress etal no way , why should you get compensation for a product that if you dont want you can hand back which appears none of the " class " people wish to do ? OPC's have organised loaners for those that want them ( how many only have a GT3 as their only car ? ) so no wonder that " public symapthy " will be now I would suggest non existent - in fact on here post the intial letter congratulations I would suggest the tone has turned somewhat. The suggestion of SM's that UK Lawyers and their US counterparts are interested must be a real surprise given they would all turn up to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was money in it for them ! Dont get me wrong I tried pretty hard with Porsche UK over my centrelocks on my Gen 2 GT3 and did think about getting together with others but then sanity prevailed - unfortunately the world appears to be compensation fixated so I guess thats life.I hope you all get your wonderful cars back on the roads asap - assuming of course that Porsche now dont insist on all the " class " names sell them back their cars so they can offer them to the not inconsiderable waiting list.
alscar said:
The problem is you cannot have your cake and eat it - at the end of the day its a recall and it must be really irritating and frustrating but its a recall - unless you have suffered real financial loss - booked and paid for track days maybe , dimmunation of value no way , distress etal no way , why should you get compensation for a product that if you dont want you can hand back which appears none of the " class " people wish to do ? OPC's have organised loaners for those that want them ( how many only have a GT3 as their only car ? ) so no wonder that " public symapthy " will be now I would suggest non existent - in fact on here post the intial letter congratulations I would suggest the tone has turned somewhat. The suggestion of SM's that UK Lawyers and their US counterparts are interested must be a real surprise given they would all turn up to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was money in it for them ! Dont get me wrong I tried pretty hard with Porsche UK over my centrelocks on my Gen 2 GT3 and did think about getting together with others but then sanity prevailed - unfortunately the world appears to be compensation fixated so I guess thats life.I hope you all get your wonderful cars back on the roads asap - assuming of course that Porsche now dont insist on all the " class " names sell them back their cars so they can offer them to the not inconsiderable waiting list.
Just imagine if those of us who aren't good enough actually bought a 911 GT3 at some stage in the future - some current owners would no doubt spit their tea out in disgust and prices would tumble What a dreadful thought..............
I wonder if the BMW mini D owners are putting together a "compensation matrix" for their chocolate engine.
The problem relates to an issue with the new three-cylinder engine’s counter balance shaft and was discovered during internal testing and has resulted in a delivery delay for the new car. MINI told Diesel Car “No MINI One D or Cooper D will be delivered until the issue is addressed. Naturally we are looking to resolve the problem as soon as possible and aiming to begin deliveries by June.”
Seems a much bigger issue to me with prob 50x more people affected and as a car like the mini will be a only car you have to feel for these guys who had orders places and were expecting cars months ago.
I still think asking for £100/£150 a day is a laugh out loud forum moment or a distress payment wtf.
It's not like mini have not been here before the 1st batch caught fire also. ( at petrol stations as well )
What makes a GT3 owner kick up a stink ESP ones who already have 2 or 3 hi end cars.
"World wide". Just 100 people !!
Porsche have not handled it that well, one has to agree, but it' still just a recall, it's nothing new.
Some might say "well you don't have a GT3". But I do have a mini and having to wait is costing me loads as the new car does many more mpg leaving me out of pocket ;-)
I also know employers who have ordered the new miniD and set on new employees but these employee's not only don't have a loan car, they cannot do their jobs so Hugh staff costs not being able to visit clients.
The GT3 is a toy at the end of the day, a toy owned by people who don't need £100 a day either, they will also end up with a better engine maybe RS spec, and as I said some are driving about in 100k loan cars.
I wonder how many people really bought the GT3 to make 10/20k and now maybe cannot ? I saw more GT3 for sale than owners posting pictures on here of their new cars.
You guys will get one of the best value performace cars available at some point ( and one many people will never be able to afford) , why not think yourself lucky instead ?
The problem relates to an issue with the new three-cylinder engine’s counter balance shaft and was discovered during internal testing and has resulted in a delivery delay for the new car. MINI told Diesel Car “No MINI One D or Cooper D will be delivered until the issue is addressed. Naturally we are looking to resolve the problem as soon as possible and aiming to begin deliveries by June.”
Seems a much bigger issue to me with prob 50x more people affected and as a car like the mini will be a only car you have to feel for these guys who had orders places and were expecting cars months ago.
I still think asking for £100/£150 a day is a laugh out loud forum moment or a distress payment wtf.
It's not like mini have not been here before the 1st batch caught fire also. ( at petrol stations as well )
What makes a GT3 owner kick up a stink ESP ones who already have 2 or 3 hi end cars.
"World wide". Just 100 people !!
Porsche have not handled it that well, one has to agree, but it' still just a recall, it's nothing new.
Some might say "well you don't have a GT3". But I do have a mini and having to wait is costing me loads as the new car does many more mpg leaving me out of pocket ;-)
I also know employers who have ordered the new miniD and set on new employees but these employee's not only don't have a loan car, they cannot do their jobs so Hugh staff costs not being able to visit clients.
The GT3 is a toy at the end of the day, a toy owned by people who don't need £100 a day either, they will also end up with a better engine maybe RS spec, and as I said some are driving about in 100k loan cars.
I wonder how many people really bought the GT3 to make 10/20k and now maybe cannot ? I saw more GT3 for sale than owners posting pictures on here of their new cars.
You guys will get one of the best value performace cars available at some point ( and one many people will never be able to afford) , why not think yourself lucky instead ?
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