**** GT3 Worldwide Action Group Letter to PAG & Dealers ***

**** GT3 Worldwide Action Group Letter to PAG & Dealers ***

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av185

18,514 posts

127 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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mrdemon said:
I wonder if the BMW mini D owners are putting together a "compensation matrix" for their chocolate engine.

The problem relates to an issue with the new three-cylinder engine’s counter balance shaft and was discovered during internal testing and has resulted in a delivery delay for the new car. MINI told Diesel Car “No MINI One D or Cooper D will be delivered until the issue is addressed. Naturally we are looking to resolve the problem as soon as possible and aiming to begin deliveries by June.”

Seems a much bigger issue to me with prob 50x more people affected and as a car like the mini will be a only car you have to feel for these guys who had orders places and were expecting cars months ago.

I still think asking for £100/£150 a day is a laugh out loud forum moment or a distress payment wtf.

It's not like mini have not been here before the 1st batch caught fire also. ( at petrol stations as well )

What makes a GT3 owner kick up a stink ESP ones who already have 2 or 3 hi end cars.
"World wide". Just 100 people !!

Porsche have not handled it that well, one has to agree, but it' still just a recall, it's nothing new.

Some might say "well you don't have a GT3". But I do have a mini and having to wait is costing me loads as the new car does many more mpg leaving me out of pocket ;-)

I also know employers who have ordered the new miniD and set on new employees but these employee's not only don't have a loan car, they cannot do their jobs so Hugh staff costs not being able to visit clients.

The GT3 is a toy at the end of the day, a toy owned by people who don't need £100 a day either, they will also end up with a better engine maybe RS spec, and as I said some are driving about in 100k loan cars.

I wonder how many people really bought the GT3 to make 10/20k and now maybe cannot ? I saw more GT3 for sale than owners posting pictures on here of their new cars.

You guys will get one of the best value performace cars available at some point ( and one many people will never be able to afford) , why not think yourself lucky instead ?
Thing is, Porsche have already agreed compensation packages of £ x 100s or whatever per day for other European and American markets and it is only right in the circumstances that the generally smaller UK GT3 market is treated likewise in these times of rampant equality.....yes

The 991 GT3 usability and appeal has been broadened by Porsche, and consequently many will be used as a daily driver....in fact only recently a poster on the main thread was intending doing 'reppy mileage' 20k a year in his as a replacement for a 997 T.....D:

The mere fact that many owners have other cars to use is irrelevant....this is about the GT3 ..thumbup

RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
alscar said:
The problem is you cannot have your cake and eat it - at the end of the day its a recall and it must be really irritating and frustrating but its a recall - unless you have suffered real financial loss - booked and paid for track days maybe , dimmunation of value no way , distress etal no way , why should you get compensation for a product that if you dont want you can hand back which appears none of the " class " people wish to do ? OPC's have organised loaners for those that want them ( how many only have a GT3 as their only car ? ) so no wonder that " public symapthy " will be now I would suggest non existent - in fact on here post the intial letter congratulations I would suggest the tone has turned somewhat. The suggestion of SM's that UK Lawyers and their US counterparts are interested must be a real surprise given they would all turn up to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was money in it for them ! Dont get me wrong I tried pretty hard with Porsche UK over my centrelocks on my Gen 2 GT3 and did think about getting together with others but then sanity prevailed - unfortunately the world appears to be compensation fixated so I guess thats life.I hope you all get your wonderful cars back on the roads asap - assuming of course that Porsche now dont insist on all the " class " names sell them back their cars so they can offer them to the not inconsiderable waiting list.
Just imagine if those of us who aren't good enough actually bought a 911 GT3 at some stage in the future - some current owners would no doubt spit their tea out in disgust and prices would tumble laugh

What a dreadful thought..............
Think I had enough of people telling me what to do with my money and time, and "to forget about it". Maybe that is why you may or may not be successful, perhaps? Let me spell this out to the throwers of stones from outside the glasshouse!

I for one is with this action group because it is simply about communication or lack of it. I for one was happy to wait on this recall situation as long as they let me know step by step what is happening as life must go on.
my car was due delivery in March 2014, I had holiday planned with it end of April 2014 to Spain, I am now in Spain without a car, had to hire one, cancelled original hotel plans, pay for cancellations etc etc. but I lost my patience now. So since Feb 20 of stop/sale I have had 3 letters from Porsche stating basically the same thing. The customer service dept or lack of cannot get their act together, we are only less than 180 owners in the UK, you can easily dedicate one person to sit at the end of phone and speak to everyone within a week!! I have not been offered a loan car, they even thought I had one after I kick up about it, I get promises that I will get a response back, no response, you then hear that some client in Dubai & USA is getting circ £1000 a month back dated to Feb and then hear German client getting £130 a day etc etc and we cannot even get a phone call back. I can go on and on but the sun is burning and I need to put some PayPal money in to support the Mother with 8 children because it is my fault she has 8! Rant over


Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 10:02


Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 10:04

Macca993

532 posts

251 months

APOLO1

5,256 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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RushSpeed said:
HoHoHo said:
alscar said:
The problem is you cannot have your cake and eat it - at the end of the day its a recall and it must be really irritating and frustrating but its a recall - unless you have suffered real financial loss - booked and paid for track days maybe , dimmunation of value no way , distress etal no way , why should you get compensation for a product that if you dont want you can hand back which appears none of the " class " people wish to do ? OPC's have organised loaners for those that want them ( how many only have a GT3 as their only car ? ) so no wonder that " public symapthy " will be now I would suggest non existent - in fact on here post the intial letter congratulations I would suggest the tone has turned somewhat. The suggestion of SM's that UK Lawyers and their US counterparts are interested must be a real surprise given they would all turn up to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was money in it for them ! Dont get me wrong I tried pretty hard with Porsche UK over my centrelocks on my Gen 2 GT3 and did think about getting together with others but then sanity prevailed - unfortunately the world appears to be compensation fixated so I guess thats life.I hope you all get your wonderful cars back on the roads asap - assuming of course that Porsche now dont insist on all the " class " names sell them back their cars so they can offer them to the not inconsiderable waiting list.
Just imagine if those of us who aren't good enough actually bought a 911 GT3 at some stage in the future - some current owners would no doubt spit their tea out in disgust and prices would tumble laugh

What a dreadful thought..............
Think I had enough of people telling me what to do with my money and time, and "to forget about it". Maybe that is why you may or may not be successful, perhaps? Let me spell this out to the throwers of stones from outside the glasshouse!

I for one is with this action group because it is simply about communication or lack of it. I for one was happy to wait on this recall situation as long as they let me know step by step what is happening as life must go on.
my car was due delivery in March 2014, I had holiday planned with it end of April 2014 to Spain, I am now in Spain without a car, had to hire one, cancelled original hotel plans, pay for cancellations etc etc. but I lost my patience now. So since Feb 20 of stop/sale I have had 3 letters from Porsche stating basically the same thing. The customer service dept or lack of cannot get their act together, we are only less than 180 owners in the UK, you can easily dedicate one person to sit at the end of phone and speak to everyone within a week!! I have not been offered a loan car, they even thought I had one after I kick up about it, I get promises that I will get a response back, no response, you then hear that some client in Dubai & USA is getting circ £1000 a month back dated to Feb and then hear German client getting £130 a day etc etc and we cannot even get a phone call back. I can go on and on but the sun is burning and I need to put some PayPal money in to support the Mother with 8 children because it is my fault she has 8! Rant over


Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 10:02


Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 10:04
Just one small point.....you may wish to have a read of the order you signed....

Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 24th April 10:53

mrdemon

21,146 posts

265 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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It will end up being a Sunil Mehra vs Porsche lawsuit very soon imo.

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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APOLO1 said:
RushSpeed said:
HoHoHo said:
alscar said:
The problem is you cannot have your cake and eat it - at the end of the day its a recall and it must be really irritating and frustrating but its a recall - unless you have suffered real financial loss - booked and paid for track days maybe , dimmunation of value no way , distress etal no way , why should you get compensation for a product that if you dont want you can hand back which appears none of the " class " people wish to do ? OPC's have organised loaners for those that want them ( how many only have a GT3 as their only car ? ) so no wonder that " public symapthy " will be now I would suggest non existent - in fact on here post the intial letter congratulations I would suggest the tone has turned somewhat. The suggestion of SM's that UK Lawyers and their US counterparts are interested must be a real surprise given they would all turn up to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was money in it for them ! Dont get me wrong I tried pretty hard with Porsche UK over my centrelocks on my Gen 2 GT3 and did think about getting together with others but then sanity prevailed - unfortunately the world appears to be compensation fixated so I guess thats life.I hope you all get your wonderful cars back on the roads asap - assuming of course that Porsche now dont insist on all the " class " names sell them back their cars so they can offer them to the not inconsiderable waiting list.
Just imagine if those of us who aren't good enough actually bought a 911 GT3 at some stage in the future - some current owners would no doubt spit their tea out in disgust and prices would tumble laugh

What a dreadful thought..............
Think I had enough of people telling me what to do with my money and time, and "to forget about it". Maybe that is why you may or may not be successful, perhaps? Let me spell this out to the throwers of stones from outside the glasshouse!

I for one is with this action group because it is simply about communication or lack of it. I for one was happy to wait on this recall situation as long as they let me know step by step what is happening as life must go on.
my car was due delivery in March 2014, I had holiday planned with it end of April 2014 to Spain, I am now in Spain without a car, had to hire one, cancelled original hotel plans, pay for cancellations etc etc. but I lost my patience now. So since Feb 20 of stop/sale I have had 3 letters from Porsche stating basically the same thing. The customer service dept or lack of cannot get their act together, we are only less than 180 owners in the UK, you can easily dedicate one person to sit at the end of phone and speak to everyone within a week!! I have not been offered a loan car, they even thought I had one after I kick up about it, I get promises that I will get a response back, no response, you then hear that some client in Dubai & USA is getting circ £1000 a month back dated to Feb and then hear German client getting £130 a day etc etc and we cannot even get a phone call back. I can go on and on but the sun is burning and I need to put some PayPal money in to support the Mother with 8 children because it is my fault she has 8! Rant over
Just one small point.....you may wish to have read of the order you signed....
Second point......I've never told you or anybody how to spend their money.

Why does not having a GT3 make you cancel a hotel FFS? You have the option to take a different car (reflecting on APOLO1's comment re order, you were never promised a car on a given date, you are promised a car when it's ready and dates change, especially if there's a recall). Perhaps you should have waited until you had the car until you made those arrangements - don't count your chickens and all that.

Lastly, you know f-all about me and how I spend my money or how successful I am but I can assure you I can look you in the eye, I just don't chose to spend my money on a GT3.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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mrdemon said:
It will end up being about Sunil Mehra very soon imo.
EFA wink

RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
Second point......I've never told you or anybody how to spend their money.

Why does not having a GT3 make you cancel a hotel FFS?

Reply: Because we booked hotels on the way to Southern Spain staying over night, wanting to enjoy twisting roads on the way down but have to cancel all of them as it is not the same in a VW SUV.

You have the option to take a different car (reflecting on APOLO1's comment re order, you were never promised a car on a given date, you are promised a car when it's ready and dates change, especially if there's a recall).
Reply: same as above

Perhaps you should have waited until you had the car until you made those arrangements - don't count your chickens and all that.
Reply: when is that then Mr Mystic Meg - I will wait and put everything on hold shall I? Xmas perhaps or summer 2016 no one knows!

Lastly, you know f-all about me and how I spend my money or how successful I am but I can assure you I can look you in the eye, I just don't chose to spend my money on a GT3.
Reply: So why bother commenting on the subject if not affecting you?
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Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 11:24

langdale

290 posts

136 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Koozy said:
How is this spot on? If either of you owned a GT3 you'd know that all our various insurers have told us that our insurance is not currently valid so we cannot drive our cars even if we wanted to!!
Koozy I hadn't realised this fair enough although im assuming you all still have a nice loan car to be getting along with however

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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rushspeed said:
Second point......I've never told you or anybody how to spend their money.

Why does not having a GT3 make you cancel a hotel FFS?

Reply: Because we booked hotels on the way to Southern Spain staying over night, wanting to enjoy twisting roads on the way down but have to cancel all of them as it is not the same in a VW SUV.

You have the option to take a different car (reflecting on APOLO1's comment re order, you were never promised a car on a given date, you are promised a car when it's ready and dates change, especially if there's a recall).
Reply: same as above

Perhaps you should have waited until you had the car until you made those arrangements - don't count your chickens and all that.
Reply: when is that then Mr Mystic Meg - I will wait and put everything on hold shall I? Xmas perhaps or summer 2016 no one knows!

Lastly, you know f-all about me and how I spend my money or how successful I am but I can assure you I can look you in the eye, I just don't chose to spend my money on a GT3.
Reply: So why bother commenting on the subject if not affecting you?
Well I would suggest it's a bit short sighted to book a trip as you did unless you are 100% certain the car will be ready.......We all know from experience that cars aren't always delivered on time for any number of reasons and the amount of uncertainty on delivery dates of the 911 GT3 from the last quarter of last year would have suggested throwing caution to the wind surely? And if you booked prior to that quarter well that's a risk you took and you can't have a dig at Porsche, you were 'possibly' were a bit hasty.

If that means you can't book then unfortunately you have to live with that.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 11:40

alscar

4,124 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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I think Rushspeed should reread my post which was clearly a misguided attempt to calm people like him down - As Apolo said read the small print.But perhaps more importantly am curious why his OPC didnt lend him a car like most appear to have done - thats where and with whom his frustration lies - not sure where the successful or otherwise bits of our lives came from though although clearly cancelling hotels etc doesnt sound very sucessful to me.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
Well I would suggest it's a bit short sighted to book a trip as you did unless you are 100% certain the car will be ready.......We all know from experience that cars aren't always delivered on time for any number of reasons and the amount of uncertainty on delivery dates of the 911 GT3 from the last quarter of last year would have suggested throwing caution to the wind surely? And if you booked prior to that quarter well that's a risk you took and you can't have a dig at Porsche, you were 'possibly' were a bit hasty.

If that means you can't book then unfortunately you have to live with that.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 11:40
What about when you've already got a car and then subsequently have that taken from you?

RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
Well I would suggest it's a bit short sighted to book a trip as you did unless you are 100% certain the car will be ready.......We all know from experience that cars aren't always delivered on time for any number of reasons and the amount of uncertainty on delivery dates of the 911 GT3 from the last quarter of last year would have suggested throwing caution to the wind surely? And if you booked prior to that quarter well that's a risk you took and you can't have a dig at Porsche, you 'possibly' were a bit hasty.

If that means you can't book then unfortunately you have to live with that.

Again, all of you non owners don't get it.
It is not about the hotels booked or not booked I can deal with that but I was told that my car will be with me circ early March (that was late Jan) verbally and then by letter hence why I paid 50% up front. So it is not about money!!!! I don't need the compo but for them to leave me hanging on and for them to have on their system that they have already given me a loan car when I have not even had an offer of one that took the biscuit! Only now I jus had a phone call from my OPC manager after 4 weeks of asking he has come back to me, stating he will sort car once I am back, thanks!?! And another info he said they will hear from PAG on Monday about next steps? Heard that one before.



Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 11:39

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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sidicks said:
HoHoHo said:
Well I would suggest it's a bit short sighted to book a trip as you did unless you are 100% certain the car will be ready.......We all know from experience that cars aren't always delivered on time for any number of reasons and the amount of uncertainty on delivery dates of the 911 GT3 from the last quarter of last year would have suggested throwing caution to the wind surely? And if you booked prior to that quarter well that's a risk you took and you can't have a dig at Porsche, you were 'possibly' were a bit hasty.

If that means you can't book then unfortunately you have to live with that.

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 11:40
What about when you've already got a car and then subsequently have that taken from you?
I'm totally in your court and Porsche need to address that and compensate accordingly (I've said that previously).

Still thinking booking a trip on a promise of a car however is a bit stupid to be honest.

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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RushSpeed said:
HoHoHo said:
Well I would suggest it's a bit short sighted to book a trip as you did unless you are 100% certain the car will be ready.......We all know from experience that cars aren't always delivered on time for any number of reasons and the amount of uncertainty on delivery dates of the 911 GT3 from the last quarter of last year would have suggested throwing caution to the wind surely? And if you booked prior to that quarter well that's a risk you took and you can't have a dig at Porsche, you 'possibly' were a bit hasty.

If that means you can't book then unfortunately you have to live with that.

Again, all of you non owners don't get it.
It is not about the hotels booked or not booked I can deal with that but I was told that my car will be with me circ early March (that was late Jan) verbally and then by letter hence why I paid 50% up front. So it is not about money!!!! I don't need the compo but for them to leave me hanging on and for them to have on their system that they have already given me a loan car when I have not even had an offer of one that took the biscuit! Only now I jus had a phone call from my OPC manager after 4 weeks of asking he has come back to me, stating he will sort car once I am back, thanks!?! And another info he said they will hear from PAG on Monday about next steps? Heard that one before.



Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 24th April 11:39
You've not quite grasped the quote thing yet.....

Anyway - I'm amazed a man of your wealth and intellect hasn't simply made either a personal visit or a telephone call to the DP of your OPC and asked nicely for a loan car - I'm sure that could have been arranged as it has for other owners..........

Oh, hang on a minute - your GT3 was never delivered yet you still want a lone car.......

Alternatively ask for your 50% (circa £60,000) deposit back until your car is ready for delivery, invest it for a few months and then give it back when it is ready less interest (won't be much but then again it is your money)

Simples wobble

AndyBrew

2,774 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
Still thinking booking a trip on a promise of a car however is a bit stupid to be honest.
I think if you have ordered a GT3 and were told March 1st delivery then booking events such as Le Mans is perfectly reasonable and whichever way you look at it if that person is you it does severely piss you off, and that's where the frustration comes from and fellow owners/depositors will feel your pain however the wider world will not give a flying fk and rightly so, if you are trying to scratch together a few pennies to buy a pot noodle why would you!!

Once out of the loop it does look rather peculiar looking in, it does come over as bunch of rich chaps throwing a tantrum because they can't drive their car and that is exactly how the world at large will view it wrongly or rightly.

RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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AndyBrew said:
I think if you have ordered a GT3 and were told March 1st delivery then booking events such as Le Mans is perfectly reasonable and whichever way you look at it if that person is you it does severely piss you off, and that's where the frustration comes from and fellow owners/depositors will feel your pain however the wider world will not give a flying fk and rightly so, if you are trying to scratch together a few pennies to buy a pot noodle why would you!!

Once out of the loop it does look rather peculiar looking in, it does come over as bunch of rich chaps throwing a tantrum because they can't drive their car and that is exactly how the world at large will view it wrongly or rightly.

So be it, I have a broad chest for that, it's the way of the world - I understand completely but as said if you are a person with the sense to know things are not as they may seem until you read the facts of people actually affected then it is not rich folks complaining - relative terms what and whom are considered rich, what is the cut level? £99,999?

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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AndyBrew said:
HoHoHo said:
Still thinking booking a trip on a promise of a car however is a bit stupid to be honest.
I think if you have ordered a GT3 and were told March 1st delivery then booking events such as Le Mans is perfectly reasonable and whichever way you look at it if that person is you it does severely piss you off, and that's where the frustration comes from and fellow owners/depositors will feel your pain however the wider world will not give a flying fk and rightly so, if you are trying to scratch together a few pennies to buy a pot noodle why would you!!

Once out of the loop it does look rather peculiar looking in, it does come over as bunch of rich chaps throwing a tantrum because they can't drive their car and that is exactly how the world at large will view it wrongly or rightly.
Personally - I'd be cautious and wouldn't book a non-refundable trip if there was any doubt my car would be here...........and even at that stage of the year we were all aware through threads how Porsche's delivery of the GT3 (when it didn't have a problem) was iffy at best.

I think certain owners need to be careful they don't tar all with the same 'spoiled brat' brush


RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
You've not quite grasped the quote thing yet.....

Anyway - I'm amazed a man of your wealth and intellect hasn't simply made either a personal visit or a telephone call to the DP of your OPC and asked nicely for a loan car - I'm sure that could have been arranged as it has for other owners..........

Oh, hang on a minute - your GT3 was never delivered yet you still want a lone car.......

Alternatively ask for your 50% (circa £60,000) deposit back until your car is ready for delivery, invest it for a few months and then give it back when it is ready less interest (won't be much but then again it is your money)

Simples wobble
You can't write properly when you are water skiing in the land of the rich!- hence quotes are all over the place.

You obviously do not read people's views properly in order to comment constructively. I have been trying to get a loan car for the last 4 weeks and I cannot just "pop" to my OPC as it is over 200 miles away and a business that I got to run.
Ohh sure let me tell my employees that the boss is going to spend nearly a whole day just going to a dealer on the off chance that the manager is there and they give a car there and then. If I wrote that I would castigated by ohh people like you!


Edited by RushSpeed on Thursday 24th April 13:03

RushSpeed

141 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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HoHoHo said:
Personally - I'd be cautious and wouldn't book a non-refundable trip if there was any doubt my car would be here...........and even at that stage of the year we were all aware through threads how Porsche's delivery of the GT3 (when it didn't have a problem) was iffy at best.

I think certain owners need to be careful they don't tar all with the same 'spoiled brat' brush
Again you did not read my situation hence why this is going on and on - you are making up your own version.

There was no doubt what soever in Jan when I received a letter and verbal from Porsche that my car will be with me in early March! They said that not me. I even stated to them mid/end March, no was reply definitely early March. So I should not have believed them according to you (hind sight is wonderful, we can be perfect when we use it). In the age of countless communication/media hardware etc I don't need to physically go there like some Viking warrior, this is Porsche and if you cannot expect basic from a company like this then maybe we all should go and drive Kia's.