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What a brilliant read, thanks for posting it up and sharing.
Needless to say, I whole heartedly applaud your approach
I would love to do something similar with my 997 GT3.
Not the same approach as such, just something to make it my own really but every time I go out for a drive in it, I don't want to change a thing!
Needless to say, I whole heartedly applaud your approach
I would love to do something similar with my 997 GT3.
Not the same approach as such, just something to make it my own really but every time I go out for a drive in it, I don't want to change a thing!
Harris_I said:
Interesting. I may have missed it in the above text, but how did you manage to get it that stiff?
Anything really. The whole lot if you can work out how the magazine pros do it. The instrument panel looks wonderful. Did you make it yourself? I sometimes look at my car and wonder what others might think of my shutlines, battle scars and generally cobbled together interior (like the unmarked horn switch that the MOT testers keep missing). Then I realise I shouldn't care less.
I don't want to share too much in terms of details on the first bit, sorry. You need a good body shop though. Is your cars cage welded in? If so you should be able to improve stiffness by tying the cage to the chassis. Particularly around the roof and the top of the windscreen.Anything really. The whole lot if you can work out how the magazine pros do it. The instrument panel looks wonderful. Did you make it yourself? I sometimes look at my car and wonder what others might think of my shutlines, battle scars and generally cobbled together interior (like the unmarked horn switch that the MOT testers keep missing). Then I realise I shouldn't care less.
As compensation for the lack of actual details, heres a graph of torsional stiffness to show what can be possible.
Bottom to top: 996 GT3, 996 Cup incl cage, 996 with stiffening and no cage.
The instrument panel I just designed and then created in CAD before sending to manufacturing in Germany with a company that make panels and face plates etc. If you want their name let me know. I originally had a carbon fibre panel with stick on labels in there but its imprecision grated no end. It pi$$ed me off every time I looked at it. Maybe I am more of an aesthete than I realise.
Thats interesting about the battle scars and shut lines. I replaced all the bolt on parts on that car with new. Front fenders, bumper (front and rear...$$$$), bonnet, side skirts etc were all ordered in from Porsche Motorsport since they were all battle scarred in some way. Rub marks, sand blasted finish, repair jobs on both bumpers. You name it and it was on there. In a way I wish I hadn't went at it quite so enthusiastically. I sort of miss the patina that it had though I am sure it will soon grow into its new parts. At least all my E88 wheel sets still keep it real. You have to earn scuff marks from wheels attached to other cars
Let me see what I can do on the interior pics when I next get over. Its not too exciting though. TBH, the interior was the toughest part once I dealt with the practicalities of what I wanted in there. Any technical decisions on the car were easy to make. Simple choices based on empirical data (in the main) so highly objective and therefore straightforward. Get me onto subjective aspects, particularly where its to do with aesthetic choices and I struggle.
Edited by fioran0 on Monday 2nd June 01:27
anonymous said:
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Yeah, I hear you there. The trouble with the wing is that its functional in a really big way. I would miss it on almost every drive if it wasn't on the car. Getting it up to roof height has improved the functionality too but has done nothing for subtlety. That being said, when its running its decidedly unsubtle anyways. It has announced its arrival long before the wing gets people looking so a C2 lid isn't going to transform it into a sleeper in that respect.I do intend to have a try with a C2 lid once everything is finished however. As I already said, the 996 C2 is a lovely looking thing nowadays and it would be a lot of fun to throw it on once in a while and try to sneak around.
The 996 is my favourite model by a long ways. Time is proving very kind to it on the looks front and its just so much fun.
Edited by fioran0 on Sunday 1st June 23:33
Sorry, I meant that the big wing is functional rather than discussing the pop up spoiler in the C2 lid. I will need to remove the active spoiler portion and cut away the metal underneath it before installing a mesh like the old air cooled cars to tidy it up if I am to have any hope of fitting a C2 type lid and allowing enough air in there for the engine. I am not sure it will work in terms of fitment even with that but its worth a try once I have nothing else to do. If it works it will be fun for the odd occasion.
Its hard to stress just how important that big wing is when driving though. Its not even in the same postcode as the street stuff. As an example, simply running the wing flat rather than angled down is sufficient to impact braking stability negatively. You can feel the back end become loose from the drivers seat and watch your deceleration G drop on the data logger.
Its hard to stress just how important that big wing is when driving though. Its not even in the same postcode as the street stuff. As an example, simply running the wing flat rather than angled down is sufficient to impact braking stability negatively. You can feel the back end become loose from the drivers seat and watch your deceleration G drop on the data logger.
fioran0 said:
Is your cars cage welded in? If so you should be able to improve stiffness by tying the cage to the chassis. Particularly around the roof and the top of the windscreen.
I was more curious than intending to fiddle any more. Mine is welded and feels substantially stiffer than bolt-in. But it's v impressive you've managed to improve even further on that.fioran0 said:
Maybe I am more of an aesthete than I realise.
I sort of miss the patina that it had
Lol, I know if I replace my panels I'll be too afraid to drive the thing, plus each scar is a nice memory (oh, that was when I gave the Ferrari a friendly rub through the bowl etc etc).I sort of miss the patina that it had
Harris_I said:
I was more curious than intending to fiddle any more. Mine is welded and feels substantially stiffer than bolt-in. But it's v impressive you've managed to improve even further on that.
Lol, I know if I replace my panels I'll be too afraid to drive the thing, plus each scar is a nice memory (oh, that was when I gave the Ferrari a friendly rub through the bowl etc etc).
It will certainly feel stiffer. Look at the graph above, with a welded cage in there you should be moving from the bottom line (normal GT3) up towards the second line (Cup with cage). Lol, I know if I replace my panels I'll be too afraid to drive the thing, plus each scar is a nice memory (oh, that was when I gave the Ferrari a friendly rub through the bowl etc etc).
My shell would benefit from welding a cage in too as stiffness would increase further; probably about another 25% but I didn't want a full cage in there for several reasons.
Another factor always worth considering is weight v stiffness. Cages mean weight and I have managed to drop the weight on this car by having no cage while maintain the stiffness in the shell.
These shells also lose stiffness over time. By doing the work on the shell (and timing out some panels that take stress at the same time by replacing with new ones) I could reset things in that department and make the shell more durable going forwards.
LOL at the panels.
Thanks, I will endeavour to get some interior pics taken when I next get a chance with decent light and post up.
Graeme, I know we talked briefly about interiors. I would have liked it to have been even cleaner in the inside but I'm fighting the look of the shell and the need for a rear wiring loom. The air cooled cars always win this aesthetic battle. I may yet try some other things in the rear half but it may be as good as I am going to get.
There is always the option to just throw the GT3 interior I have in a large box in there but I just cannot bring myself to do it and it really doesn't feel right with the character of the car.
Graeme, I know we talked briefly about interiors. I would have liked it to have been even cleaner in the inside but I'm fighting the look of the shell and the need for a rear wiring loom. The air cooled cars always win this aesthetic battle. I may yet try some other things in the rear half but it may be as good as I am going to get.
There is always the option to just throw the GT3 interior I have in a large box in there but I just cannot bring myself to do it and it really doesn't feel right with the character of the car.
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