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Just been looking at spy shots of the 991 GT3 RS – it looks so much more modern than the 997 equivalent. I think the 4.0 RS will still hold strong, but I suspect those people who are now paying what looks like a £20-30K increase for the 3.8 RS from 12 motnhs ago, will take a bath in about a years time when people get over the fact the 991 RS isn’t a manual car and people see it on the road/showrooms/magazines. Could be wrong, but I think they’ll find their £90K level again within 2 years
'em.boxbox said:
Just been looking at spy shots of the 991 GT3 RS – it looks so much more modern than the 997 equivalent. I think the 4.0 RS will still hold strong, but I suspect those people who are now paying what looks like a £20-30K increase for the 3.8 RS from 12 motnhs ago, will take a bath in about a years time when people get over the fact the 991 RS isn’t a manual car and people see it on the road/showrooms/magazines. Could be wrong, but I think they’ll find their £90K level again within 2 years
Like 993RS and 964RS prices have taken a hit because their contemporaries are better cars?Everyone will have their own opinions I guess, but I think the 997 was the only RS which had a facelift in that model range didn’t it? I could be wrong, but I think 964, 993 and 996 only had one model RS. Also none of the other RS models since the 964 and 993 have increased in value over their original showroom price. They will always hold their money well in my opinion, just feels like the hype around manual v’s paddle has artificially increased premiums
Time will tell…..
Time will tell…..
How long did it take for the 964 to reach its showroom value (not that that is relevant in any way)? The 4RS as never been below has it. Also the 7.2 is the last of the manuals. Whether paddles are better or not, that will surely have some value.
I can't see prices falling long term. Short term correction? Maybe.
I can't see prices falling long term. Short term correction? Maybe.
The manual vs auto argument is not a passing phase that people will 'get used to' or 'get over' it will ALWAYS be there. Some people (me included) want manual gearboxes for fun and auto for the daily driver duties. With the 991 GT3, there is a lot of overlap between these two requirements and that does not appeal to everyone.
I want my focused sports car to be just that - focused and all-involving with a low level of electornic assistance and a greater emphasis on mechanical interaction.
I am not the only one who thinks like this and for that reason, the 996 and 997 GT3s will always be a coveted car regardless of values short or long term.
If its a vanilla 996.1 GT3 all the way to the full shebang 997.2 4.0 RS, people will still want them and want to drive them.
I want my focused sports car to be just that - focused and all-involving with a low level of electornic assistance and a greater emphasis on mechanical interaction.
I am not the only one who thinks like this and for that reason, the 996 and 997 GT3s will always be a coveted car regardless of values short or long term.
If its a vanilla 996.1 GT3 all the way to the full shebang 997.2 4.0 RS, people will still want them and want to drive them.
The 3.8 is cheap compared to a 4.0ltr,prices are still rising and will probably continue to,dont forget the main sales in the past &today for a rs with true heratige have all been Manuel cars for driving enthusiasts.
There will always be a strong market for such cars,just get out and enjoy them
There will always be a strong market for such cars,just get out and enjoy them
Yellow491 said:
The 3.8 is cheap compared to a 4.0ltr,prices are still rising and will probably continue to,dont forget the main sales in the past &today for a rs with true heratige have all been Manuel cars for driving enthusiasts.
There will always be a strong market for such cars,just get out and enjoy them
there is never 200k difference between a 7RS Gen 2 and RHD 4.0....its all down to the nos, only 75 RHDs on the planet....There will always be a strong market for such cars,just get out and enjoy them
Yellow491 said:
APOLO1 said:
there is never 200k difference between a 7RS Gen 2 and RHD 4.0....its all down to the nos, only 75 RHDs on the planet....
What do you mean never 200k difference,the 4.0 is not a rare car either!BMCG said:
Yellow491 said:
Please answer my question what do you mean re 200k.
The 4 is not a rare car at 600'not many more 3.8 were made.
The distinction is with respect to RHD 4.0s available in the UK....that's a very small pot...<35 cars if memory serves.The 4 is not a rare car at 600'not many more 3.8 were made.
If you look like 3.6 + 3.8 + 4.0 you get something like 4600 cars globally.
I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
RDMcG said:
If you look like 3.6 + 3.8 + 4.0 you get something like 4600 cars globally.
I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
Agree with this and the 4.0 is the unique 997 RS. As an additional comment, I would say (unless people are being unnecessarily awkward) that the driving 'feel' of the 964 RS differs in a significant way to the 993 RS, which again differs to the 996 RS and therefore you see a real difference between the models. The other question is then that a 997.1, 997.2 and 997 4.0 RS will feel quite similar to eachother compared to previous RS models, unless you are a very talented driver. As such, I think the average non-collector buyer would be just as happy with any of the (non-4.0) 997 RS models if they were buying it to use and enjoy - and as such would probably not see a massive value difference between them. Would I pay £25K more for a .2 over a .1? Nope I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
RDMcG said:
If you look like 3.6 + 3.8 + 4.0 you get something like 4600 cars globally.
I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
This may well be wrong, but from a quick Google search, there were c1600 2.7s made, 1000 993 RS', 1300 964 RS' and ONLY 700 996 RS'.I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
There appear to be around c1900 7.1s, and c1600 7.2s. So the 7.2 is almost as rare as the 2.7, but the 2.7 is nowhere near as rare as a 6RS, yet is hugely more expensive. I'm not sure rarity on its own is the factor which decides the relative price between the Porks. It seems to have more to do with "coming of age".
If it's all down to rarity, the 6RS is going to be a gilt edged investment.
Alpinestars said:
RDMcG said:
If you look like 3.6 + 3.8 + 4.0 you get something like 4600 cars globally.
I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
This may well be wrong, but from a quick Google search, there were c1600 2.7s made, 1000 993 RS', 1300 964 RS' and ONLY 700 996 RS'.I would expect the 4.0 to stay up there as the last Mezger/last manual. 3.8 is an open question for me. At a guess it will go up somewhat, drop a bit when the 991RS hits with trade-ins, and settle somewhere near current prices. These car are not RS 2.7s in rarity.
There appear to be around c1900 7.1s, and c1600 7.2s. So the 7.2 is almost as rare as the 2.7, but the 2.7 is nowhere near as rare as a 6RS, yet is hugely more expensive. I'm not sure rarity on its own is the factor which decides the relative price between the Porks. It seems to have more to do with "coming of age".
If it's all down to rarity, the 6RS is going to be a gilt edged investment.
If the 6RS was going to do anything price wise, it would have done so before now, I have sold 4, 4.0s, 3 to collectors', whilst the 993RS is gaining traction, there is no interest from a colleting point in the 6RS.......none at all....
Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 4th June 13:31
APOLO1 said:
The 2.7s had enjoyed much more of a race history....and you had the side shows, ie the RSRs ect...2.8s and 3.0s
If the 6RS was going to do anything price wise, it would have done so before now, I have sold 4, 4.0s, 3 to collectors', whilst the 993RS is gaining traction, there is no interest from a colleting point in the 6RS.......none at all....
JZM have recently sold 2 under the radar to people that have them looking out for them.If the 6RS was going to do anything price wise, it would have done so before now, I have sold 4, 4.0s, 3 to collectors', whilst the 993RS is gaining traction, there is no interest from a colleting point in the 6RS.......none at all....
Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 4th June 13:31
But as you say there is no interest in them!
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