964 C2 Tip full engine re-build.
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Gentlemen of Pistonheads, your assistance is requested.
I am finally biting the bullet and having a full engine rebuild on my 964 C2. The car still pulls like a train and has no issues apart from the numerous oil leaks. The engine had a rebuild at 82K before my ownership but it wasn't done very well and I find myself at 115K and having it done again properly. The company I am using are specialists in building race engines for the touring car series in the UK and they have done a lot of work on other specialist cars such as Porsches.
What I would like to do is turn up with my car and on the passenger seat I would like to have a big box full of all the components / gaskets / seals that will be neccesary for the re-build, any specialist Porsche tools as well, if someone could point me in the right direction for a one stop shop for these parts I would be most grateful, also if any of you 964 owners can think of any other jobs that would be recommended whilst the engine is out of the car. I am already replacing the rear shockers.
Any help will be most welcome, so thank you in advance.
Cheers
Tod
I am finally biting the bullet and having a full engine rebuild on my 964 C2. The car still pulls like a train and has no issues apart from the numerous oil leaks. The engine had a rebuild at 82K before my ownership but it wasn't done very well and I find myself at 115K and having it done again properly. The company I am using are specialists in building race engines for the touring car series in the UK and they have done a lot of work on other specialist cars such as Porsches.
What I would like to do is turn up with my car and on the passenger seat I would like to have a big box full of all the components / gaskets / seals that will be neccesary for the re-build, any specialist Porsche tools as well, if someone could point me in the right direction for a one stop shop for these parts I would be most grateful, also if any of you 964 owners can think of any other jobs that would be recommended whilst the engine is out of the car. I am already replacing the rear shockers.
Any help will be most welcome, so thank you in advance.
Cheers
Tod
Although some time ago, when Andy at Fearnsport rebuilt the engine on my 964 RS, I got http://www.ebsracing.com/ in the US to send him a load of uprated parts which still worked out significantly cheaper than buying std parts in the UK.
May be worth a call with a shopping list to get a quote. Don't forget to factor in the possibility of duty charges when the goods land in the UK though. Still large savings to be made, esp given the current FX rate.
May be worth a call with a shopping list to get a quote. Don't forget to factor in the possibility of duty charges when the goods land in the UK though. Still large savings to be made, esp given the current FX rate.
Another 964 motor that still has all its loverly power, doesnt use too much oil or smoke, being FULLY rebuilt principally because of oil leaks? Harumph!
The while you are in there thing is fine - plug leads, fiberglass tinware, rebuild alternator, clutch/LWF (doesnt apply to yourself) etc - but does it really need a full rebuild? There will be some identifiable wear when it is stripped at 110k miles, but from the many stories I have heeard/read, often not so much that won't likely last another 50-100k before it is noticed in terms of engine health. You can also resolve alot of common 964 oil leaks without splitting the case, or even removing the engine..valve covers for instance.
You may have already identified the source of the leaks, might have really bad compression numbers etc. of course. Rennlist 964 forum has loads of rebuild stories with suppliers etc. - from mild to wild. E.g. Look out for Frank (Black Betty)who is more in the latter category..
The while you are in there thing is fine - plug leads, fiberglass tinware, rebuild alternator, clutch/LWF (doesnt apply to yourself) etc - but does it really need a full rebuild? There will be some identifiable wear when it is stripped at 110k miles, but from the many stories I have heeard/read, often not so much that won't likely last another 50-100k before it is noticed in terms of engine health. You can also resolve alot of common 964 oil leaks without splitting the case, or even removing the engine..valve covers for instance.
You may have already identified the source of the leaks, might have really bad compression numbers etc. of course. Rennlist 964 forum has loads of rebuild stories with suppliers etc. - from mild to wild. E.g. Look out for Frank (Black Betty)who is more in the latter category..
rlw said:
I would be going to a Porsche specialist who knows these engines inside out, will have all the parts and tools required. Why are you not using such a firm, given that this is second time around and really needs to be done by a specialist rather than a generalist, no matter how good?
+1. Go to one of the specialists that are doing these rebuilds day in day out. If you turn up with the bits as you are intending to, they are bound to find something that needs replacing and then you get delays while you try to find the extra bits. The specialists know where to get everything and what 'extras' often need doing. In some cases they'll also know where to source used parts that can keep the cost down for you.Unless the place you're taking it to rebuild these engines regularly (say 1 or 2 a month) then they're probably not the right people to use. Take it to someone who sees them all the time, knows what definitely needs changing and what is in fact serviceable (where some people less experienced would err on the side of caution & replace, which adds to your bill).
I've always used Unit 11 ( www.unit11.co.uk ) who provided me with 100% reliability in my race cars, and smaller bills for rebuilds than anywhere else would have done (on the basis the car is driving still the cost to deliver it won't be much and I'd expect the savings to be worthwhile) but there's lots of other places - darn scarf there's Jaz in Wembley for example.
I know of a 964 engine that was rebuilt by a Formula One (historic) engineer, which sounded all good (his racing cars and track exploits were very good indeed), but having seen it stripped (at Unit 11) I saw the bits he'd missed (e.g. £10 timing chain guides not replaced) because he didn't know them well, and reasons why it was being done again. Please don't fall into this trap, seduced by the Touring Car pedigree of whoever you're considering using.
I've always used Unit 11 ( www.unit11.co.uk ) who provided me with 100% reliability in my race cars, and smaller bills for rebuilds than anywhere else would have done (on the basis the car is driving still the cost to deliver it won't be much and I'd expect the savings to be worthwhile) but there's lots of other places - darn scarf there's Jaz in Wembley for example.
I know of a 964 engine that was rebuilt by a Formula One (historic) engineer, which sounded all good (his racing cars and track exploits were very good indeed), but having seen it stripped (at Unit 11) I saw the bits he'd missed (e.g. £10 timing chain guides not replaced) because he didn't know them well, and reasons why it was being done again. Please don't fall into this trap, seduced by the Touring Car pedigree of whoever you're considering using.
+1 to recommendations above to get the work done by a Porsche specialist. But tread carefully. I had a very poor job done on box and engine by one of the best names in the business - engine leaked like a sieve, and diff exploded and destroyed gearbox after 600 miles.
At the other end of the spectrum I ended up with what I considered to be a better than new engine on another car.
I won't name and shame the "legend" but happy to sing the praises of the best Porsche engine builder I have used so far: Nick Fulljames at Redtek.
At the other end of the spectrum I ended up with what I considered to be a better than new engine on another car.
I won't name and shame the "legend" but happy to sing the praises of the best Porsche engine builder I have used so far: Nick Fulljames at Redtek.
Not unusual for a 964 engine to leak.
Although, with a Tip box it probably can't have had a stressed life.
At your mileage a refresh and reseal is probably worthwhile - but as recommended above, only go to someone who is doing these specific engines day in day out, and with first class references.
Although, with a Tip box it probably can't have had a stressed life.
At your mileage a refresh and reseal is probably worthwhile - but as recommended above, only go to someone who is doing these specific engines day in day out, and with first class references.
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