991 first oil change
Discussion
C4S has done 2,700 miles. Have been reading about first oil change and considering my options:
-OPC
-Specialist
-OPC with my own oil
-DIY
Some questions before phoning OPC please:
A) How much would OPC charge for engine oil and filter replacement?
B) If I supply my own oil to OPC, how much saving I would expect?
C) If I go Specialist/DIY route, would this affect the warranty and would OPC be happy to reset the service interval for me and how much would they charge for resetting?
D) my understanding the oil is of Mobil 1 new life 0w-40. Two 5L bottles... Amazon is around 42 ponds a bottle. Is this the best price please?
Thank you
-OPC
-Specialist
-OPC with my own oil
-DIY
Some questions before phoning OPC please:
A) How much would OPC charge for engine oil and filter replacement?
B) If I supply my own oil to OPC, how much saving I would expect?
C) If I go Specialist/DIY route, would this affect the warranty and would OPC be happy to reset the service interval for me and how much would they charge for resetting?
D) my understanding the oil is of Mobil 1 new life 0w-40. Two 5L bottles... Amazon is around 42 ponds a bottle. Is this the best price please?
Thank you
Edited by 7and911 on Tuesday 29th July 14:08
You have a car that is depreciating by around 1-1.5k per month.
2 year service + brake fluid change is £630, but you can negotiate that down fairly easily.
You can save a little supplying your own oil.
Costco is £30 for 5l and is the cheapest.
Servicing elsewhere could potentially effect your 3rd year warranty.
It will reduce the value of your car as potential buyers of 2 year old cars would wonder that if you'd tried to save £100 on maintenence by not going to the OPC, what else have you not had done.
Go to the OPC, negotiate it down to £500 all in and it's job done. + you get to rag one of their cars all day.
2 year service + brake fluid change is £630, but you can negotiate that down fairly easily.
You can save a little supplying your own oil.
Costco is £30 for 5l and is the cheapest.
Servicing elsewhere could potentially effect your 3rd year warranty.
It will reduce the value of your car as potential buyers of 2 year old cars would wonder that if you'd tried to save £100 on maintenence by not going to the OPC, what else have you not had done.
Go to the OPC, negotiate it down to £500 all in and it's job done. + you get to rag one of their cars all day.
Mobil 1 - the Halfords option!
There's nothing wrong with it & plenty of Mondeo, Astra & MPV drivers swear by it! It's an okay mass-market mid-range oil - and absolutely fine if you're changing oil very regularly (every 3000 miles) or the car does minimal annual mileage.
For a daily driver or higher usage performance car you'd be better advised to upgrade to an Ester Synthetic such as Motul 300V, Millers CFS NT, Silkolene Pro S or Redline High Performance Synthetic & supply that to your OPC or Indy.
There's nothing wrong with it & plenty of Mondeo, Astra & MPV drivers swear by it! It's an okay mass-market mid-range oil - and absolutely fine if you're changing oil very regularly (every 3000 miles) or the car does minimal annual mileage.
For a daily driver or higher usage performance car you'd be better advised to upgrade to an Ester Synthetic such as Motul 300V, Millers CFS NT, Silkolene Pro S or Redline High Performance Synthetic & supply that to your OPC or Indy.
At a guess £250 for 1hr labour and oil. Some OPC's refuse to use customer supplied oil, even when it's the correct type. I speak from experience there, to quote the Service Manager at the time, "You wouldn't bring your own steak to a restaurant would you sir?"
So I've enough oil for a couple oil changes on a 2006 Cayman S if anyone needs it......
So I've enough oil for a couple oil changes on a 2006 Cayman S if anyone needs it......
mikecassie said:
At a guess £250 for 1hr labour and oil. Some OPC's refuse to use customer supplied oil, even when it's the correct type. I speak from experience there, to quote the Service Manager at the time, "You wouldn't bring your own steak to a restaurant would you sir?"
So I've enough oil for a couple oil changes on a 2006 Cayman S if anyone needs it......
To be fair he's got a point , they're there to make money not be a charity for tight arses who want to save a few bob.So I've enough oil for a couple oil changes on a 2006 Cayman S if anyone needs it......
If I was the service manager I'd be upping my labour charge to cover the lost profit on the oil.
Some greedy folk on here mind.
...yeah it will be the same guys who refuse your insistence upon using your own higher-spec oil, who also argue that 15k-20k between changes is perfectly fine.
And of course 20K+ between oil changes is perfectly fine...if you're a manufacturer which wants to sell more new cars!
Just as car manufacturers love the application of salt to the UK's roads in winter - built-in obsolescence guaranteed!
At their own expense I've had an Audi Franchise dealer drain newly changed oil and replace it with what I supplied.
I'm not running a 40,000 mile 20-valve ur-Quattro on the rubbish some spotty teenage fitter at the dealer thinks is adequate.
Oil technology is constantly advancing & you're best advised to buy the best oil you can and change it and the filter as regularly as possible - even at your own expense - worth if for the peace of mind, mechanical sympathy & longer term gain.
And of course 20K+ between oil changes is perfectly fine...if you're a manufacturer which wants to sell more new cars!
Just as car manufacturers love the application of salt to the UK's roads in winter - built-in obsolescence guaranteed!
At their own expense I've had an Audi Franchise dealer drain newly changed oil and replace it with what I supplied.
I'm not running a 40,000 mile 20-valve ur-Quattro on the rubbish some spotty teenage fitter at the dealer thinks is adequate.
Oil technology is constantly advancing & you're best advised to buy the best oil you can and change it and the filter as regularly as possible - even at your own expense - worth if for the peace of mind, mechanical sympathy & longer term gain.
WindyMiller67 said:
wilkos said:
Go to the OPC, negotiate it down to £500 all in and it's job done. + you get to rag one of their cars all day.
And you get your car hand washed and vacuumed to a reasonably good standard!If you can't afford to look after the car properly, why buy it in the first place. I expect howls of derision, b ut I have owned 9 Porsches over the last 25 years and have always used OPC 's for servicing. I wouldn't consider anything else. I know they charge top dollar but (in my experience) they - mostly - give top quality service. There has been one exception but I'm not allowed to name and shame am I?!
Hey, guys....
Owing a £100K+ car is a personal choice.... Depreciation of 1-1.5K a month is inevitable but does NOT contradict saving UNNECESSARY costs...
Car is only 3 months old and I am not talking about servicing the car I am talking about the OPTIONAL oil change after the break-in period.... Off course I will keep all the scheduled services at OPC, there is no doubt about that, but there is lots of talk in the american forums about the break-in oil change and the DIY, however, here in the UK may be the attitude is different... Anyway, thank you for you thoughts
Owing a £100K+ car is a personal choice.... Depreciation of 1-1.5K a month is inevitable but does NOT contradict saving UNNECESSARY costs...
Car is only 3 months old and I am not talking about servicing the car I am talking about the OPTIONAL oil change after the break-in period.... Off course I will keep all the scheduled services at OPC, there is no doubt about that, but there is lots of talk in the american forums about the break-in oil change and the DIY, however, here in the UK may be the attitude is different... Anyway, thank you for you thoughts
7and911 said:
C4S has done 2,700 miles. Have been reading about first oil change and considering my options:
-OPC
-Specialist
-OPC with my own oil
-DIY
Some questions before phoning OPC please:
A) How much would OPC charge for engine oil and filter replacement?
B) If I supply my own oil to OPC, how much saving I would expect?
C) If I go Specialist/DIY route, would this affect the warranty and would OPC be happy to reset the service interval for me and how much would they charge for resetting?
D) my understanding the oil is of Mobil 1 new life 0w-40. Two 5L bottles... Amazon is around 42 ponds a bottle. Is this the best price please?
Thank you
Just a heads up. By supplying the oil you compromise one aspect of the oil change service and that is it is harder for the tech to check the proper functioning of the e-oil level system.-OPC
-Specialist
-OPC with my own oil
-DIY
Some questions before phoning OPC please:
A) How much would OPC charge for engine oil and filter replacement?
B) If I supply my own oil to OPC, how much saving I would expect?
C) If I go Specialist/DIY route, would this affect the warranty and would OPC be happy to reset the service interval for me and how much would they charge for resetting?
D) my understanding the oil is of Mobil 1 new life 0w-40. Two 5L bottles... Amazon is around 42 ponds a bottle. Is this the best price please?
Thank you
Edited by 7and911 on Tuesday 29th July 14:08
The oil change procedure is the only time the proper operation of this system can be done.
This requires the engine be at or above a certain temperature, the drain be timed. The tech then uses the shop oil gun to measure the amount of oil he adds to the engine. (The guns at my local dealer read out in 1/100ths of a liter.)
The tech adds just what amount of oil the factory calls for. After he then verifies the e-oil level system displays the expected reading. In the case of my 03 Turbo, the tech adds 7.8l of oil and the reading should be right on the max line, not above, not below.
If the tech has to pour in oil from bottles he can't know the reading as well.
My dealer gives me a price break on fluids and often then they cost less at the dealer than they do if I supply them.
Even if the oil is a bit more at the dealer, there is the time and trouble to collect the oil so the savings given the overall cost of buying and owning one of these cars is nil.
Last but not least there can be another benefit to having the servicing done at the OPC. The car gets a thorough inspection. Since the car is new to you you want any leak or other problem spotted sooner rather than later so it can be addressed.
I had my Turbo in for an early transmission/differential fluid change (at around 30K miles) and the tech spotted a selector shaft leak. The transmission was replaced under the car's warranty.
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