mr.demon is going to like this months evo magazine

[jimmy p]

You would think a Porsche magazine would be able to tell the difference between a spyder and a boxster S though. The second picture/advert 'In the Classifieds' is clearly an S, does anybody proof read the mag????

[EricE]

Zyp said:

Apologies for the crap quality.

Oh that! I was wondering if I’m missing out on content with the digital only sub but they actually published that back in June.

http://evoapp.co.uk/1kNDuBq

they are becoming increasingly hard to find in the right spec, even LHD, I hope a few people chop in their Spyders for the new GT4 but I am not getting my hopes up.

[Actus Reus]

JZM had one a while back - big money and spec was 'wrong' (sports seats, non-Spyder wheels, air-con, etc. etc.).

[mrdemon]

I can always sell mine for £55k in the right spec :-) always cars to be had if people want to pay.

as for the GT4 to quote Porsche

"Until such time an official announcement is made from Porsche, such detail about the Cayman GT4 is purely speculation.

Whilst I appreciate you have logged your interest with the Porsche Centre, any release of information will always be found on our Porsche Website - www.porsche,co.uk.

I apologise for any disappointment caused and thank you for your continued interest in Porsche."

by the time GT4 comes out Spyder will be 60k :-)

Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 6th August 12:14

[S1MMA]

mrdemon said:

I wish S1MMA would post and eat his words again !!

to quote him in 2012

"My point was: the MARKET PRICE will be £25k next year"
"That will be the market value. Not some made up arbitrary number. That is constructive, no?
Come back to me on this thread Demon, which I know you will have diarised in your diary for 31st December 2013, and let me know if you can't get one for £25k."

Fair is fair.

Words eaten, it has held better than I thought it would. I didn't think it would buck the depreciation trend in the short term as it is still a Boxster, but fair play to it - it has.

Call it 1-0.

To be fair, I didn't think my GT3 would appreciate either, that has done much better than I thought it would, so the market generally has been a lot higher than I thought it would be for low volume driver focused Porsches. It's actually good the Spyder is recognised within this gang, as I always said I quite like them and would like to sample one at some point. I think some element of spartan spec is also preferable On these to make up for the slight lack of power (the 987 platform in general can handle more power), but AC and radio would still be on my list.

[mrdemon]

lol ;-) I can feel the love...

[996GT2]

Just read that in Evo. I bought my Spyder for 39k in Jan 2012, sold it back to Porsche in March 2012 for the same money, looking at the prices today I'd have to add 3 or 4 grand on to buy the same car again

If anyone's selling one PM me... manual (ideally not white), buckets, correct wheels.

[lemmingjames]

would you though or would you still have got the same but the OPC's would have made the extra few K.

Have nay of them fallen out of the warranty period yet or when will they start needing the £1k a year minimum refresh (= 10 year 10k refresh ;-) )

[highway]

What are the "correct wheels?" The one pictured in the Evo article as found on Carrera S?

[mrdemon]

lemmingjames said:

would you though or would you still have got the same but the OPC's would have made the extra few K.

Have nay of them fallen out of the warranty period yet or when will they start needing the £1k a year minimum refresh (= 10 year 10k refresh ;-) )

Just done a brake over haul pads alone for the PCCB retail at £800 and my tyres were £1.5k.
Def going for cup 2's next.
Cars will need all the same bits the GT3 needs over time, don't kid yourself.....

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 7th August 22:23

[mrdemon]

highway said:

What are the "correct wheels?" The one pictured in the Evo article as found on Carrera S?

Nope.

It's not hard to find a Spyder with Spyder wheels though in a pic.

[lemmingjames]

mrdemon said:

Just done a brake over haul pads alone for the PCCB retail at £800 and my tyres were £1.5k.
Def going for cup 2's next.
Cars will need all the same bits the GT3 needs over time, don't kid yourself.....

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 7th August 22:23

Im not, just wondering if that whilst they remain relatively cheap motoring, once some big bills start coming in for some owners whether this will affect the market

[ORD]

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Yep. And they don't need cleaning as often.

[seawise]

I've never driven a Spyder on the road but i did a few laps of Spa in a pal of mines PDK equipped car and i came in after 4 laps as i was bored. To be fair Spa is a horsepower circuit and i'm used to GT3's , but it was so well balanced in terms of grip, power etc that it just wasn't much of a challenge. Probably a lovely road car though.

[Slippydiff]

seawise said:

I've never driven a Spyder on the road but i did a few laps of Spa in a pal of mines PDK equipped car and i came in after 4 laps as i was bored. To be fair Spa is a horsepower circuit and i'm used to GT3's , but it was so well balanced in terms of grip, power etc that it just wasn't much of a challenge. Probably a lovely road car though.

[Zyp]

ORD said:

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Yep. And they don't need cleaning as often.

Correct wheels are, in fact, satin platinum and they need cleaning even less often

[mrdemon]

seawise said:

I've never driven a Spyder on the road but i did a few laps of Spa in a pal of mines PDK equipped car and i came in after 4 laps as i was bored. To be fair Spa is a horsepower circuit and i'm used to GT3's , but it was so well balanced in terms of grip, power etc that it just wasn't much of a challenge. Probably a lovely road car though.

PDK is always dull, maybe it was the gear box which was dull not the car :-)

Yes the circuits big, but is a 996 GT3 a horsepower car ? not really !!!!

[ORD]

Zyp said:

Correct wheels are, in fact, satin platinum and they need cleaning even less often

I stand corrected. Very nice indeed.

[Slippydiff]

mrdemon said:

PDK is always dull, maybe it was the gear box

'Fraid not. My summation of the CR posted on here some months ago

"When my Slate grey Gen 1 GT3 went back to Swindon OPC for some warranty work, I requested a Cayman R as a loan car. Swindon were very accommodating and I found myself with the keys to an almost new GT Silver Cayman R for the next five days.
Having read all the glowing road tests of the recently launched car, I couldn’t wait to get behind the wheel.

Alas, I’m afraid it turned out to be rather a damp squib. If the 964 RS sounds like old tin cans (not sure what you’re referring to specifically ?) the Cayman R sounded like any other car on the road (but hey, at least by pressing a button you could make it sound “sporty”). And what a sporty noise it was. Not. Instead you got a slightly louder and more convoluted/synthesised version of the “basic” non-sport noise.

A word in your shell-like, get someone to take you out in a de-catted 964 RS, (preferably one fitted with a Cup pipe fitted) then you’ll know what “sporty” sounds like. But failing that, I’ll take you out for a spin in my Manthey modified GT3.
“But what if I don’t want the sporty noise all the time ?” you say. Simple, don’t tread on the loud pedal so heavily.

So my summation is thus : (apologies to all you Cayman owners, I know I’ve already offended some of you)

Steering ? Lifeless, lacking in weight, feedback and to a lesser degree, feel (not helped by the Bridgestone tyres I suspect).

Brakes ? Rather lacking in feel, pathetically small and looked lost behind the rather lovely 19” lightweight wheels.

Engine ? Dull, lacking in any real character, top end verve and a decent soundtrack.

Internal door pulls ? A joke (se my original post)

Interior ? Bland and generally lacking any sense of occasion.

The drive ? Very accomplished (but wait for it), dull. I had the car five days, but having driven it from Swindon back oop North, it sat forlornly on the drive for the duration, as I couldn’t muster sufficient enthusiasm to take it on a proper cross country hoon across N.Wales. How sad is that ?

Conclusion ? Just not special enough, too amorphous and too anodyne for my taste.

And for those not already bored, a brief Post Script : In the spring of last year several mates and I met up early one Sunday morning for a N.Wales hoon.

The cars that attended were my Manthey modified Mk 1 996 GT3, an unmodified Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport, an M3 CSL, a 964 RS and a Boxster Spyder (AKA a ragtop Cayman R).

I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day)

There’s no doubting the modern cars are fast, the issue for me is they’ve become too bland, efficient and ultimately souless in doing so. (Datsun GTR anyone ?) That’s not to decry them for being so, that after all, is progress.

Effectively it’s a bit like saying a wood burner or an open fire is rubbish, because modern central heating or underfloor systems are so efficient , clean and fuss free, they have to be better. Too right, but I know which has more character when you're down the pub on a cold winters evening ……."

[seawise]

mrdemon said:

PDK is always dull, maybe it was the gear box which was dull not the car :-)

Yes the circuits big, but is a 996 GT3 a horsepower car ? not really !!!!

I agree that PDK didn't help it, but ultimately you could chuck the car into any of the high speed corners and it would either grip and turn or understeer a bit but still safely push thru the turn. Just didn't engage with me, sure it held up to lapping unlike most roadcars, but just was a bit dull. We had a E90 V8 M3 in our group and after a few laps the brakes melted and it was rolling like a boat, useless. I'm not saying the Spyder didn't cope with track use, it did very well, just wasn't in anywhere the league of a track optimised 911 (ie GT3/2, 964 RS, 993 RS that i've owed and extensively tracked).

The 997 GT3 3.8 RS and 996 RS we had in our group were in a completely different league i am afraid. Plenty of poke to eat up the faster sections and very lively and a challenge to master thru both high and low speed corners. Hopefully the Cayman GT4 if it happens will prove a bit more 'edgy' despite also being mid engined.