Silver 993 c2s at HWM

Silver 993 c2s at HWM

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Seany88

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1,245 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Anyone got any thoughts on this car? It's up for £59k which seems steep, but then the classic Porsche market these days seems mad, plus there aren't any others for sale! The aero kit was factory-fitted, though I think I prefer the split spoiler look. There is a gap in the service history from 2004 to 2009 and 15k miles, though it seems the mileage was done and then it went into storage for 5 years.

Appreciate any comments/advice.

Zyp

14,673 posts

188 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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It's been sometime since a HWM thread....

Sitting comfortably?

jackal

11,248 posts

281 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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lol

Seany88

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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I have read a couple of things about them, but they are the only ones with C2s's in! Is it really bad news?

bigunit00

890 posts

146 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Seany88 said:
Is it really bad news?
Understatement of the year

Geneve

3,857 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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I thought Hexagon had quite a nice looking C4'S'.

Interestingly, IMO, the 993 C4s drive better than the C2s.

g7jhp

6,958 posts

237 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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These aren't the 993 C2S's you are looking for. Move along.

jackal

11,248 posts

281 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Geneve said:
I thought Hexagon had quite a nice looking C4'S'.
Frying pan ----> Fire !



Geneve said:
Interestingly, IMO, the 993 C4s drive better than the C2s.
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Geneve

3,857 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Yep, it's interesting. I generally subscribe to the 'less is more' ethos with 911s - Coupe, manual, 2wd, basic options, is best.

But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.

I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.

Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...



Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Seany88 said:
I have read a couple of things about them, but they are the only ones with C2s's in! Is it really bad news?
You are buying the car not the dealer, that said in my very real experience assume:

History is BS
Everything the dealer says is BS
Mileage is BS

For the benefit of doubt and name/shame rules none of the above is particular to HWM of course

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Geneve said:
Yep, it's interesting. I generally subscribe to the 'less is more' ethos with 911s - Coupe, manual, 2wd, basic options, is best.

But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.

I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.

Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Less understeer in the C4 variant? No way, it's the opposite. I wonder if the tracking on the two C2s you had was not right (I know one was new) - the C4s will definitely understeer more and, some say the steering is more 'planted' - which really means heavier, less feeling and less 911-like.

Koln-RS

3,849 posts

211 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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I also prefer C4 to C2. With the C2 the traction is fully at the rear, so the fronts have to overcome that dominance, hence the traditional 911 understeer. But, with the exception of the 964 C4, the revised awd systems have given the front end more bite, so better 'turn-in' makes sense. With each generation the weight penalty has been reduced but, again, a bit more weight distribution up front reduces the 'bobbing' and makes it feel more planted.

Both good though and I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other, it's very subtle and a personal choice. Do prefer varioram on a 993 though.

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

199 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Koln-RS said:
I also prefer C4 to C2. With the C2 the traction is fully at the rear, so the fronts have to overcome that dominance, hence the traditional 911 understeer. But, with the exception of the 964 C4, the revised awd systems have given the front end more bite, so better 'turn-in' makes sense.
Makes no sense to me at all and I'm a race engineer. All other things being equal a C4 should understeer (slightly) more than a C2 due to a slightly more forward CofG and a bit of torque going through the front wheels. The steering would be a bit heavier with a C4 and probably confuses things for most people i.e. they associate weight with grip. BTW understeer is not exactly inherent in a 911, it's merely a safety net built into the setup. Or maybe I should be looking at an alternative career?!

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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g7jhp said:
These aren't the 993 C2S's you are looking for. Move along.
Excellent biggrin

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Scooty100 said:
Was tempted to tell up this dealer about a car but maybe if they have a bad rep.

I have a fairy local Aircoled Specialist to me but have heard some worrying reports about them in the last 12 months.

Seems a bit of a minefield
Try google but most HWM threads are removed or stopped due to the website name and shame policy, ie you cannot publicly criticise an advertiser by name, that should confirm your google search

ian_uk

1,156 posts

210 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I can understand why some prefer the C4 and feel it drives better. Depends what you were bought up on driving and your driving style.

Ian.

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I have experienced them twice, baffles me but they get some nice kit in

Might be worth taking risk on a regularly serviced car with files of paperwork, all independently verifiable. With a very low miles car with a big history gap I would run and never look back. Also their starting prices are humorous to say the least

Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Thanks Adam I'm building a list of dealers to avoid HWM and Paul Stephens are at the top of that list.

Others come with far better reviews and recommendations

Seany88

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Scooty100 said:
Adam B said:
Try google but most HWM threads are removed or stopped due to the website name and shame policy, ie you cannot publicly criticise an advertiser by name, that should confirm your google search
Hi Adam tks for post have done some google searches and seen some reviews not good!

I'm possibly looking into so kind of back date looking car maybe but aircooled obviously .

Maybe HWM aren't renounced for this
Ok I'm worried now. I did leave a £5k deposit on friday for the car (subject to various conditions) and have since been trying to get it back. What's the best way of doing this? I've emailed them so as to put it in writing and they have replied to that email therefore they have acknowledged it's receipt implicitly. Trading standards?

squirejo

794 posts

242 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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The Friday before the Tuesday that you started the thread? Oops. Did you sign a contract to purchase? Did you get a receipt? I suggest a little early for trading standards. Simply ask for the money back with a deadline that is practical and acceptable. If or when they do not meet that, move to a next step which I guess would be to start a small claims proceeding and contact trading standards. Many lawyers on here with more concrete advice than mine.