Cayman R - manual or PDK?

[J-P]

anonymous said:

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Tiptronic was a terrible gearbox

Oh, the arrogance. The sheer humanity!

The problem is that if PDK is purely a preference and can't be objectively characterised as a bad choice for a Cayman R, neither could fitting a Tip box. But guess what, you do draw the line there, eh?

Can't really bothered to respond to the rest of the points in your post as it's a mix of strawman nonsense and ghastly irrelevancies like 'racing heritage'.

"shall I call you stupid?" Really? Is that the best you can do? IMHO the tiptronic box was terrible but if another person believed it was the best thing since sliced bread, surely that's up to them and by their own beliefs and experiences, they would be absolutely correct. I just happen to believe that they are wrong.

[J-P]

anonymous said:

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Exactly!

[mollytherocker]

Its an interesting debate, although the semantics and pedantry is a little tiring.

The case for the PDK on the CR? It flatters and babysits the unskillful driver. There, I said it.

[rob.kellock]

mollytherocker said:

Its an interesting debate, although the semantics and pedantry is a little tiring.

The case for the PDK on the CR? It flatters and babysits the unskillful driver. There, I said it.

You're right with your first sentence but wrong with your third.

That's not what PDK is about.

I did 22000 miles in a manual Spyder in 4 years and have now done almost 5000 miles in my PDK 981 Cayman S in 3 months.

PDK is ruthlessly efficient and quicker. Manual is more involving.

I would personally choose manual for a Cayman R. My opinion is, of course, just that

When I bought my Cayman I would happily have had manual or PDK, still would now. If I was using the Cayman less, I would definitely choose manual, or indeed, a different car entirely.

[Mermaid]

Cmoose, you are right. What was it you said?

[Mermaid]

Time to close the thread.

[J-P]

anonymous said:

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You may find this hard to believe but I actually share your views on a number of things but you're still missing the point.

In the cheaper motoring example, I am not asking you to believe that Porsches are cheaper to run than Dacias, this is objectively provable. What I am saying is that if somebody thinks Dacias are better for their needs than a Porsche, then they are almost certainly correct. What you are saying is that a manual CR is better than a PDK one - I actually share that view but if somebody else thinks that PDK is better for them, then they are also correct that it's right for them.

PDK or manual is a subjective experience, some people who are car enthusiasts love PDK, others don't. There is no right or wrong to this - it's like a choice of colour as Mario has said all along.

What I think perhaps is missing here is that you seem to be saying that anybody who buys a CR that hasn't spec'd it like mine is some kind of wealthy moron, lacking in any real substance who doesn't know what's best for them or what a great driver's car the CR is - I'm merely saying that you cannot judge this by their choice of PDK over a manual, or comfort seats over buckets. Their choice is not right for me but it must be for them or else why would they buy it?

[mollytherocker]

rob.kellock said:

You're right with your first sentence but wrong with your third.

That's not what PDK is about.

I did 22000 miles in a manual Spyder in 4 years and have now done almost 5000 miles in my PDK 981 Cayman S in 3 months.

PDK is ruthlessly efficient and quicker. Manual is more involving.

I would personally choose manual for a Cayman R. My opinion is, of course, just that

When I bought my Cayman I would happily have had manual or PDK, still would now. If I was using the Cayman less, I would definitely choose manual, or indeed, a different car entirely.

Hi Rob!

So, if I understand your view correctly, you are saying that PDK is more usable, because you have driven it more?

What is it about PDK that is making you do more mileage? Ease of use?

[Adam B]

Jesus h. Christ. It's a gearbox ! Not sure why this is getting so heated

Manual is a purist more engaging choice
PDK is an excellent option, especially if it's a one car household

Oh god I almost forgot - IMHO

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 19th August 09:20

[Adam B]

Jesus h. Christ. It's a gearbox ! Not sure why this is getting so heated

Manual is a purist more engaging choice
PDK is an excellent option, especially if it's a one car household

Oh god I almost forgot - IMHO

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 19th August 09:44

[Mermaid]

Cmoose, do you have a CR or are you planning to get one?

[ORD]

Today, I took my car (PDK) down one of my favourite roads from when I was 18, stupid and at the wheel of a Fiesta Zetec S. It reminded me how damn good these cars are even on tight little B-roads. The car was too fast for the road and I couldn't have driven it as quickly whilst nailing perfect 2-3-2-3-1-2-3 manual gear changes - the paddle changes where challenging enough whilst stringing the corners together and watching out for mud, tractors, etc

I would've preferred to go 5mph slower and be proud of nailing every gear change myself, though.

I think that's my point about the R. Even my S feels a bit let down as a drivers car by not having the driver control the clutch and select gears manually. I can only imagine that the feeling would be much stronger in an R.

But we're shouting in a tunnel as a train roars past. Manual cars are seen as dinosaurs by 90% of people, including the stupid motoring press that will laud the ZF 8 speed as though its the second coming! Same press that have been pushing 2l diesel BMW and VAG white goods as though there are on a commission!

[rob.kellock]

mollytherocker said:

Hi Rob!

So, if I understand your view correctly, you are saying that PDK is more usable, because you have driven it more?

What is it about PDK that is making you do more mileage? Ease of use?

No, not that.

The main reason for changing my car was knowing that I'd be doing a much greater mileage.

My point was merely what everyone already knows - PDK is quicker,
Manual is more fun, but not in traffic jams.

[mollytherocker]

Well, Jason Plato says the PDK is a 'sack of spuds' and whatever you think about him, he can drive. It was slower too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTgXky5ntEo

[rob.kellock]

mollytherocker said:

Well, Jason Plato says the PDK is a 'sack of spuds' and whatever you think about him, he can drive. It was slower too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTgXky5ntEo

Fail.

That's a 987.

My PDK is 981... ;-)

[mollytherocker]

rob.kellock said:

Fail.

That's a 987.

My PDK is 981... ;-)

Oh well then, that makes all the difference. I wont mention the 981 video then.....

[rob.kellock]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XFN51-OvJhc

There you go ;-)

[mollytherocker]

rob.kellock said:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XFN51-OvJhc

There you go ;-)

So, PDK is great for retired gentlemen? Is that it?

[rob.kellock]

Who crash...

[ORD]

Plato is a nob. Always has been. Being a great driver doesn't stop him being an idiot.

Even the 987 PDK is faster than a manual driven brilliantly. You could probably find a track in which that wouldn't be the case, but I'm struggling really to think how (unless you basically tried your hardest to make the box look bad).

But are these cars too slow in any form?! Wide open throttle is a rare thing on a public road. I don't think my foot hit the floor once in some spirited driving today.