Viewing a Cayenne Turbo - checklist?
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After driving a V6 Cayenne yesterday, I've now accepted that it's just too slow. So... I'm viewing a turbo tonight instead!
From talking to the seller, he's only had it 6 months and is selling for a house purchase. The previous owner had it for 10 years, but part of this time it was over in Cyprus so history is a bit patchy. Recently its had a new radiator and waterpump.
I'm going to trawl through the history to see whats what, but I do not believe there to be proof of the coolant pipes being changed. This is obviously something I want done, as if not it will be used to haggle. I'd read on rennlist that you can see them with a mirror between the inlet and the bulkhead, is this true?
Otherwise, I'm just after a list of things to check on the car and receipts to look for. Prop bearing, Airbags, battery etc.
He's said everything works inside, but will of course check for myself.
Do we think that it's worth an inspection on something like this?
From talking to the seller, he's only had it 6 months and is selling for a house purchase. The previous owner had it for 10 years, but part of this time it was over in Cyprus so history is a bit patchy. Recently its had a new radiator and waterpump.
I'm going to trawl through the history to see whats what, but I do not believe there to be proof of the coolant pipes being changed. This is obviously something I want done, as if not it will be used to haggle. I'd read on rennlist that you can see them with a mirror between the inlet and the bulkhead, is this true?
Otherwise, I'm just after a list of things to check on the car and receipts to look for. Prop bearing, Airbags, battery etc.
He's said everything works inside, but will of course check for myself.
Do we think that it's worth an inspection on something like this?
Parking sensors were always playing up on mine. Plus had a rattle from the rear tailgate. Got it fixed and it came back again. Check for corrosion on the silvery door trims that run along the outside of the doors. My horn was also on it's last legs and replacing the horns is a bumper off job.
Any link to the ad? Always curious to see what tickled people's fancies.
Any link to the ad? Always curious to see what tickled people's fancies.
Mine has sold now, but yes, coolant pipes are a pig of a job. They are very hard to see, even with a mirror. Here is a shot of the pipes with the inlet manifold removed. It's the 3 aluminium pipes in the centre;
Make sure the gearbox kicks down smoothly. Also make sure there's no rumbling from under the car under load. Check all electrics. Check the passenger windscreen wiper sweeps the screen correctly. Brakes are huge and therefore expensive - budget £1500 if needed. A set of N rated tyres will cost over £1k.
It is surprising you're going to look at one with a dodgy history when you declined to look at mine. Anyway, if all of the above checks out then it should be a good car.
Make sure the gearbox kicks down smoothly. Also make sure there's no rumbling from under the car under load. Check all electrics. Check the passenger windscreen wiper sweeps the screen correctly. Brakes are huge and therefore expensive - budget £1500 if needed. A set of N rated tyres will cost over £1k.
It is surprising you're going to look at one with a dodgy history when you declined to look at mine. Anyway, if all of the above checks out then it should be a good car.
Hi Adam,
This is 20 mins up the road from me, you are unfortunately 2.5 hours away! Up until yesterday we were also planning on going down the V6 route so Turbo viewing took a back seat.
Your car is also Silver which is something the wife isn't keen on too
Thanks for the tips though. I'm intending to go over the paperwork tonight and suss out quite how patchy the history is. The guy told me up front that it doesn't have all of the previous MOT certs as a start, but I'm not sure what else it's lacking yet.
Cheers.
This is 20 mins up the road from me, you are unfortunately 2.5 hours away! Up until yesterday we were also planning on going down the V6 route so Turbo viewing took a back seat.
Your car is also Silver which is something the wife isn't keen on too
Thanks for the tips though. I'm intending to go over the paperwork tonight and suss out quite how patchy the history is. The guy told me up front that it doesn't have all of the previous MOT certs as a start, but I'm not sure what else it's lacking yet.
Cheers.
Just got back from viewing it.
Loved the colour scheme of blue with two tone sand interior, also the level of kit on the turbo is leagues better than the v6. It actually felt a premium car.
Electrics seemed solid, everything worked. No faults showing and it seemed in good condition.
Air suspension went up and down repeatedly with no problems. Does it only work with the door shut though? Damper modes changed noticeably whilst driving too.
Box kicked down fine, no noises. No grumbling on overrun and no vibration from the floor. Engine pulled well and it's an odd sensation going so fast in something so big!
The down sides... Very little history indeed! It's had a water pump and radiator+hoses this year. Also a new battery. It had the air bags replaced a couple of years ago. But the main issue is no evidence of the coolant pipes being changed or the diff bearing.
I'm planning to find out the costs of these from Northway and use it as a haggling point. Any idea what those jobs would cost?
Loved the colour scheme of blue with two tone sand interior, also the level of kit on the turbo is leagues better than the v6. It actually felt a premium car.
Electrics seemed solid, everything worked. No faults showing and it seemed in good condition.
Air suspension went up and down repeatedly with no problems. Does it only work with the door shut though? Damper modes changed noticeably whilst driving too.
Box kicked down fine, no noises. No grumbling on overrun and no vibration from the floor. Engine pulled well and it's an odd sensation going so fast in something so big!
The down sides... Very little history indeed! It's had a water pump and radiator+hoses this year. Also a new battery. It had the air bags replaced a couple of years ago. But the main issue is no evidence of the coolant pipes being changed or the diff bearing.
I'm planning to find out the costs of these from Northway and use it as a haggling point. Any idea what those jobs would cost?
5678 said:
Just got back from viewing it.
Loved the colour scheme of blue with two tone sand interior, also the level of kit on the turbo is leagues better than the v6. It actually felt a premium car.
Electrics seemed solid, everything worked. No faults showing and it seemed in good condition.
Air suspension went up and down repeatedly with no problems. Does it only work with the door shut though? Damper modes changed noticeably whilst driving too.
Box kicked down fine, no noises. No grumbling on overrun and no vibration from the floor. Engine pulled well and it's an odd sensation going so fast in something so big!
The down sides... Very little history indeed! It's had a water pump and radiator+hoses this year. Also a new battery. It had the air bags replaced a couple of years ago. But the main issue is no evidence of the coolant pipes being changed or the diff bearing.
I'm planning to find out the costs of these from Northway and use it as a haggling point. Any idea what those jobs would cost?
Off the top of my head, think the coolant pipes are about a grand. Could be more mind you. Loved the colour scheme of blue with two tone sand interior, also the level of kit on the turbo is leagues better than the v6. It actually felt a premium car.
Electrics seemed solid, everything worked. No faults showing and it seemed in good condition.
Air suspension went up and down repeatedly with no problems. Does it only work with the door shut though? Damper modes changed noticeably whilst driving too.
Box kicked down fine, no noises. No grumbling on overrun and no vibration from the floor. Engine pulled well and it's an odd sensation going so fast in something so big!
The down sides... Very little history indeed! It's had a water pump and radiator+hoses this year. Also a new battery. It had the air bags replaced a couple of years ago. But the main issue is no evidence of the coolant pipes being changed or the diff bearing.
I'm planning to find out the costs of these from Northway and use it as a haggling point. Any idea what those jobs would cost?
The toys in the Turbo are great. Heated front and rear seats. Heated steering wheel. Fridge in the glove box. Alcantara headlining. Cornering lights and xenons etc. For the money they an absolute bargain. Reckon you'll go for it?
Very, very tempted. Would be the thirstiest car I've ever had. But our old 650i used to do 18mpg so I know what to expect.
I think he needs to move on the price a bit more due to the pipes issue. You've seen the ad so I'd like at least £500, pushing for even £1k off to cover the cost. Perhaps £500 off and I pay for an inspection that he then deducts the cost of if I buy it?
Tyres were all newish p-zeros. Are they the right type for the car?
I think he needs to move on the price a bit more due to the pipes issue. You've seen the ad so I'd like at least £500, pushing for even £1k off to cover the cost. Perhaps £500 off and I pay for an inspection that he then deducts the cost of if I buy it?
Tyres were all newish p-zeros. Are they the right type for the car?
5678 said:
Very, very tempted. Would be the thirstiest car I've ever had. But our old 650i used to do 18mpg so I know what to expect.
I think he needs to move on the price a bit more due to the pipes issue. You've seen the ad so I'd like at least £500, pushing for even £1k off to cover the cost. Perhaps £500 off and I pay for an inspection that he then deducts the cost of if I buy it?
Tyres were all newish p-zeros. Are they the right type for the car?
I think a grand would be pushing it to be honest. But if you can get it for £8500 then I'd be pretty happy with that. Re the Pirellis, no sure, but if they're the right size and they've got plenty of tread you can't go too far wrong.I think he needs to move on the price a bit more due to the pipes issue. You've seen the ad so I'd like at least £500, pushing for even £1k off to cover the cost. Perhaps £500 off and I pay for an inspection that he then deducts the cost of if I buy it?
Tyres were all newish p-zeros. Are they the right type for the car?
Odd, he did have a book after all. A few services at Porsche wilmslow and East London, then a couple of specialists. There a 2 year period with no info but it's had two services since that. It's been a case of one a year and every 20k for most of it's life though.
Changing pads and discs on these things, is it fairly straight forward? The rear discs have a bit of a lip so would need replacing in the next 10k or so.
Changing pads and discs on these things, is it fairly straight forward? The rear discs have a bit of a lip so would need replacing in the next 10k or so.
Give Wilmslow a ring, if the coolant pipes had been done by them or another OPC it should be recorded, I got a 2004 50k S with FSH about 3 months back, the coolant pipes hadnt been changed, it was possible to see using an inspection mirror and a torch after taking off the plastic engine surrounding. Its more a case of if you can't see the aluminium pipes it hasn't been done, the black plastic pipes are very hard to see clearly.
It sounds like you've found a nice example which drives well and where everything's working fine, with a full service history and recent premium tyres too (budget 20" tyres start from under £70, Pirelli more like triple that) for about 10% of what it cost new. A lot of early Cayennes (and 4x4's generally) are very tired after over a decade of family use & abuse so it sounds like you may have found your prince without having to kiss a lot of frogs first.
Yes it would nice if knew the pipes had been done but even if they haven't you may never need to do it anyway (I bought my 100k+ S 2 years ago without knowing and still don't know but it still goes perfectly well now). I think to expect a discount for something that might or might not have been done in the past, and might or might not need doing in future, is a bit hopeful really.
Again, brakes that may need doing in the next 10,000 miles aren't much of a reason to get money off - they'lre a consumable item that'll last what, 1 or 2 years based on the sort of mileage most people would do in an early Cayenne?
From what you've told us I wouldn't hesitate (perhaps conditional on a PPI to be on the safe side), there's every chance someone else who's viewed and rejected lots of frogs will snap it up when they see it.
Yes it would nice if knew the pipes had been done but even if they haven't you may never need to do it anyway (I bought my 100k+ S 2 years ago without knowing and still don't know but it still goes perfectly well now). I think to expect a discount for something that might or might not have been done in the past, and might or might not need doing in future, is a bit hopeful really.
Again, brakes that may need doing in the next 10,000 miles aren't much of a reason to get money off - they'lre a consumable item that'll last what, 1 or 2 years based on the sort of mileage most people would do in an early Cayenne?
From what you've told us I wouldn't hesitate (perhaps conditional on a PPI to be on the safe side), there's every chance someone else who's viewed and rejected lots of frogs will snap it up when they see it.
thegoose said:
It sounds like you've found a nice example which drives well and where everything's working fine, with a full service history and recent premium tyres too (budget 20" tyres start from under £70, Pirelli more like triple that) for about 10% of what it cost new. A lot of early Cayennes (and 4x4's generally) are very tired after over a decade of family use & abuse so it sounds like you may have found your prince without having to kiss a lot of frogs first.
Yes it would nice if knew the pipes had been done but even if they haven't you may never need to do it anyway (I bought my 100k+ S 2 years ago without knowing and still don't know but it still goes perfectly well now). I think to expect a discount for something that might or might not have been done in the past, and might or might not need doing in future, is a bit hopeful really.
Again, brakes that may need doing in the next 10,000 miles aren't much of a reason to get money off - they'lre a consumable item that'll last what, 1 or 2 years based on the sort of mileage most people would do in an early Cayenne?
From what you've told us I wouldn't hesitate (perhaps conditional on a PPI to be on the safe side), there's every chance someone else who's viewed and rejected lots of frogs will snap it up when they see it.
Wise words.Yes it would nice if knew the pipes had been done but even if they haven't you may never need to do it anyway (I bought my 100k+ S 2 years ago without knowing and still don't know but it still goes perfectly well now). I think to expect a discount for something that might or might not have been done in the past, and might or might not need doing in future, is a bit hopeful really.
Again, brakes that may need doing in the next 10,000 miles aren't much of a reason to get money off - they'lre a consumable item that'll last what, 1 or 2 years based on the sort of mileage most people would do in an early Cayenne?
From what you've told us I wouldn't hesitate (perhaps conditional on a PPI to be on the safe side), there's every chance someone else who's viewed and rejected lots of frogs will snap it up when they see it.
Op I think you are expecting too much given the cars age and value, if everything works on it just get it bought.
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