Potential project

Potential project

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fastgerman

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1,914 posts

195 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Hi All

I'm tempted by a project, something like this - http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C534555#

What do you think are the rough costs to get this into a good working state, not immaculate?

A) If I sourced all parts myself and handed it to a specialist who charged £50 an hour , what do you reckon?

B) source all parts, strip the car and send off to different specialists in each area e.g. Send interior off to be retrimmed, trailer shell for dip, fill and paint, send engine off for refurb etc, assemble myself?

Cheers

Edited by fastgerman on Sunday 31st August 21:15

deadlast

79 posts

186 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Always curious about the Beverley hills car club - they seem to have a lot of project cars for sale which on the surface look like they have potential. A quick google then gave some interesting reviews (as you'd expect from t'internet), it seems the initial thoughts of bargains may perhaps eventually be replaced by thoughts of your getting what you pay for - which I guess is fair - so long as you know that in advance and don't have unrealistic expectations.

I'd love to hear a UK viewpoint from a position of experience with them.

I'm far to cautious I guess...others who roll the dice may well end up quids in and a big smile on their face when behind the wheel eventually.

It would be a lovely end result I'm sure if you went for it, I'd love to see more real ones on the road instead of me assuming they are all replicas!


mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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fastgerman said:
Hi All

I'm tempted by a project, something like this - http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C534555#

What do you think are the rough costs to get this into a good working state, not immaculate?

A) If I sourced all parts myself and handed it to a specialist who charged £50 an hour , what do you reckon?

B) source all parts, strip the car and send off to different specialists in each area e.g. Send interior off to be retrimmed, trailer shell for dip, fill and paint, send engine off for refurb etc, assemble myself?

Cheers

Edited by fastgerman on Sunday 31st August 21:15
Thats quite far gone. Its not easy to set a budget. Ask anyone who has undertaken such a project and how it escalated.

There are people in the US charging 200k to refurbish stuff like this properly.

It will of course depend on the condition of every single part of the car, of which there are many.

Lets say a minimum of 30k. At best. Maybe 60k.

fastgerman

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1,914 posts

195 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Sounds like its cheaper just to buy a good condition one

BertBert

19,038 posts

211 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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You won't get that back on the road looking decent for 30k. I suspect you'd struggle at 60k.

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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fastgerman said:
Sounds like its cheaper just to buy a good condition one
It nearly always is.

fastgerman

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1,914 posts

195 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Finger in the air guess on a respray and rust sorted?

I don't see why it would be more than say a rusty mk1 Golf? Nobody would pay £60k on that

andye30m3

3,453 posts

254 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Could give these guys a call with an idea of respray cost www.sprcoachworks.co.uk as they've got one in at the moment for a full restoration and have recently completed another.

majordad

3,601 posts

197 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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My guess would be 800-1000 hours on the body, parts extra, dipping. Engine and gearbox and triming more. The project would soak up £80K.

shoestring7

6,138 posts

246 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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majordad said:
My guess would be 800-1000 hours on the body, parts extra, dipping. Engine and gearbox and triming more. The project would soak up £80K.
There's someone who's seen a few specialists invoices! That would also be the low end of my guess for a pro job. If you stripped the car yourself, farmed out all of the bodywork and paint, refreshed the mechanics and trim yourself and rebuilt it yourself you might get it done for £40k-£50k.

SS7

996TT02

3,308 posts

140 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Buy another one.

There does not seem to be any part of the bodyshell that does not need replacing.

GrahamPM

1,057 posts

231 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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fastgerman said:
Finger in the air guess on a respray and rust sorted?

I don't see why it would be more than say a rusty mk1 Golf? Nobody would pay £60k on that
....because with a (relatively) modern Golf, any replacement genuine or pattern panels should fit without too much grief. Once you start looking and working on older cars, each and ever panel will need hours of manipulation to ensure it goes together correctly and the panel fit is right.
Any car can be thrown together; as per some of the Channel 4 programs etc; but long term, and if you're going to do it properly, the hours (& bills) will soon rack up!

Have a look at some of the rebuild threads on DDK & Cranford Classics - it's a bloody miracle what can be done!

G


Edited by GrahamPM on Monday 1st September 13:32

Johnny G Pipe

267 posts

228 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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..and these cars are much more complex underneath than a Golf, were assembled out of enclosed structural steel sections with no rust proofing, the doors were fitted by men in brown overalls with lead loading etc.

Different world to a golf and more important to be restored properly.

And that one will be wayyyyyy worse than it looks once you get into it. And it already looks bad.

fastgerman

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1,914 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Currently watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest and they're sorting out a Beetle. Any reason why a 356 would cost 10 times more for body work restoration?

m33ufo

4,959 posts

231 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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fastgerman said:
Currently watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest and they're sorting out a Beetle. Any reason why a 356 would cost 10 times more for body work restoration?
Looks like you'd end up replacing most panels - I'm assuming a pretty costly exercise? Good luck smile

AlvinSultana

860 posts

149 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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fastgerman said:
Currently watching Wheeler Dealers on Quest and they're sorting out a Beetle. Any reason why a 356 would cost 10 times more for body work restoration?
Sarcasm surely ?

shoestring7

6,138 posts

246 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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An new original Beetle front wing is about £100, an original 911 front wing is 10x that, while a 356 OE front wing is unavailable.

SS7

fastgerman

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1,914 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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What do people think about this?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/151405145662?nav=SEARCH


mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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fastgerman said:
What do people think about this?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/151405145662?nav=SEARCH
99% finished eh? Sure it is.

A serious owner would finish it properly and then sell it. Its 57k for gods sake!