Whats the next Porsche to go ballistic?
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uktrailmonster said:
No doubt a future classic, but I think you will be waiting a very very long time for it to go "big" unless you mean it might hold onto its value or go up slightly in the next few years. Would you really want to miss out on your supercar on the basis that your Spyder might be worth a lot of money in say 25 years time?
Problem with the Spyders is that there is always the possibility of a 981 Spyder in the next few years. It would be lighter, stiffer, manual and maybe even one of the last "affordable" 6 cylinder mid engined cars until the Boxster goes 4-pot turbo to make room for the 960 and maybe even 960 Spyder. 981 in stock form also looks better than the 987.2.
PS: Yes, yes, electric steering and all that, I know. I’m looking at buying a Spyder myself right now but fully aware that it will either lose or gain 50% of its value over the next 3 years. So its not a car that I would bet on to "go ballistic" soon even though it might if the stars align just right. (i.e. PDK only 4-pot turbo GT4 and no more Spyders)
mollytherocker said:
Its interesting how many times the word 'manual' has been repeated so far.
When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
I think it just might be especially as road speeds become more stringent so having a 'balls out' pdk car may prove more difficult to use. Just a thought....When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
When a:
jag XJS is seen as a classic
1980/1990's Mercedes SL's have doubled
Porsche 911 T and 365 have trippled
Volkswagen split screen camper has quadrupled
Shed barges on the increase e.g. 1990's BMW 740, Audi A8 etc
It's time to sell unless of course, you have actually bought a car you like and want to enjoy.
On topic though, 930 Turbo would get my money for the next double before the market comes back down
jag XJS is seen as a classic
1980/1990's Mercedes SL's have doubled
Porsche 911 T and 365 have trippled
Volkswagen split screen camper has quadrupled
Shed barges on the increase e.g. 1990's BMW 740, Audi A8 etc
It's time to sell unless of course, you have actually bought a car you like and want to enjoy.
On topic though, 930 Turbo would get my money for the next double before the market comes back down
mollytherocker said:
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Given the frankly incredible rises in pretty much anything air cooled in the last 2 years, I am wondering whats next? Assuming of course that the Porsche world is not about to come crashing down.
996 turbos are strong. 968CS? 928GTS? Or what about the 944 turbo?
Thoughts?
996gt3rs..still way too cheap...relativelyGiven the frankly incredible rises in pretty much anything air cooled in the last 2 years, I am wondering whats next? Assuming of course that the Porsche world is not about to come crashing down.
996 turbos are strong. 968CS? 928GTS? Or what about the 944 turbo?
Thoughts?
mollytherocker said:
Its interesting how many times the word 'manual' has been repeated so far.
When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
I would think so, yes. When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
I imagine that the notional car nut who will spend £200k on an old car will want something with a real gearbox, especially as any auto gets outdated very quickly. (As I understand it every investment market of this kind must be underpinned by a notional buyer that would actually pay the money for the thing's utility to him, so there must be someone who, in theory, wants to spend £200k on a car because it is worth that to him, rather than to the market.)
Having driven a PDK car for a year, every other auto box (even in brand new premium cars) feels just terrible. I cannot imagine ever wanting to own, let alone drive, something with an old-fashioned auto. I imagine that even PDK will seem very dated in 10 years.
uktrailmonster said:
996 C2/C4/Turbo - All very very cheap for what you actually get. Currently going through the unloved 911 phase as did the 964 after the 993 came out. Everyone talks about the Turbo, but a lot of future "classic" buyers are likely to prefer the bog standard C2 or pretty C4S in the long haul. Once the supply starts to dry up and remaining engines are routinely bomb-proofed by the likes of Hartech, then the 996 has got to be a future classic.
^^this.Although 996 is presently unloved, in a couple of decades it will be known as the last of the great steering feel 911's and for that reason I can used 996 prices exceeding used 991 prices. Might take a couple of decades though.
I'd say turbo's are a dead cert though. Mine didn't drop in value at all in 2 years ownership.
mollytherocker said:
Its interesting how many times the word 'manual' has been repeated so far.
When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
Obviously this thread is intended for the much nearer future, but in the loooooong term, what happens when all cars are auto/dualclutch/lack a clutch pedal. Will the art of driving a manual car with a clutch pedal die out? And what happens to all these great manual cars and their value then as utility to the buyer is diminished by their lack of skill to drive demanding cars well?When all cars are auto (We are getting close surely), is this going to be the most important factor?
jfp said:
996GT2 said:
jfp said:
An easy one to answer, and its not boxter spyders, C2's etc etc....
996GT2.
Wait for the announcement that there won't be a 991 GT2, then watch out 996GT2.
AndrewIC said:
Carrera GT has to go up by a large amount, current values seem very low and haven't done much in recent years, must be due a big jump.
I think CGTs have gone up quite a bit (if not a big jump) in the last 6 months. When I last checked there were quite a few under €300k (I think 3-4 cars) and the majority in the €300-350k bracket. Now there are only 3 under €400k (excluding the 128k km one in Italy - legend) and most prices start with a 4 (all based on mobile.de). .CGT - good examples with clean history will go up.
996 GT2's will likely move up, but doubt it will be ballistic imo.
In all honesty, I think that we are at a turning point for stupid residuals that we have seen in the last few years imo. When the new 991 GT3 was released at 100k, either Porsche got the market wrong, or a lot of "investors" made poor decisions on the cars that they bought at huge premiums.
996 GT2's will likely move up, but doubt it will be ballistic imo.
In all honesty, I think that we are at a turning point for stupid residuals that we have seen in the last few years imo. When the new 991 GT3 was released at 100k, either Porsche got the market wrong, or a lot of "investors" made poor decisions on the cars that they bought at huge premiums.
squirejo said:
996 gt3. Can the RS be 2 to 3 times the car?
CGT. Never again will we be able to buy a manual naturally aspirated supercar.
I think both 996 GT3 and RS will perform well. The former mainly because few will want to sell! It just does what it does so well...and agreed from a driving experience can be made close to an RSCGT. Never again will we be able to buy a manual naturally aspirated supercar.
However, the RS does have a little magic and RS collectibility. I drove the RS after a long break last weekend....oh boy...exquisite poise.
The "how many left" website gives an indication of what's happening (though not possible to sort 996 from 997 etc)
e.g. https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
A peak of 33 cars were registered - already down to 22 and 4 more on SORN. So 7 have left the UK or been written off and only two thirds are in use. This is the data to back up what's being put away for investment.
O/T - but watch out for the last of the Mitsubishi Evo 8/9 FQ models. Heritage (rallying), UK-only numbered limited editions and no car since then 'effectively' superceding it are all signs of a future classic.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/mitsubishi_l...
Escort Cosworth (data incomplete) - already into a position where more are on SORN than taxed (in the summer)
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ford_escort_...
e.g. https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
A peak of 33 cars were registered - already down to 22 and 4 more on SORN. So 7 have left the UK or been written off and only two thirds are in use. This is the data to back up what's being put away for investment.
O/T - but watch out for the last of the Mitsubishi Evo 8/9 FQ models. Heritage (rallying), UK-only numbered limited editions and no car since then 'effectively' superceding it are all signs of a future classic.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/mitsubishi_l...
Escort Cosworth (data incomplete) - already into a position where more are on SORN than taxed (in the summer)
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ford_escort_...
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