964's In vogue
Discussion
Has anyone noticed just how popular on a global scale 964's are at present.
Not only do you have the very active 964 Rennlisters, dedicated Facebook groups one of which consists of over 11k members but also many other global FB groups and clubs.
Quite a rise from the unloved 911 5yrs back.
What's the huge fascination all of a sudden ?
Not only do you have the very active 964 Rennlisters, dedicated Facebook groups one of which consists of over 11k members but also many other global FB groups and clubs.
Quite a rise from the unloved 911 5yrs back.
What's the huge fascination all of a sudden ?
Truly , a 964rs is the best driving car ever ( IMO ).........
The turbo 3.6 2 is the best turbo of all time ( IMOx2 ).....
There is not a more impactful and purposeful , dare I say pretty basic 911 than a 964 ( IMOx3 )
I haven't driven every car by far but a lot , and nothing is close to a 964rs
Other than that don't have any strong feelings about the subject !
The turbo 3.6 2 is the best turbo of all time ( IMOx2 ).....
There is not a more impactful and purposeful , dare I say pretty basic 911 than a 964 ( IMOx3 )
I haven't driven every car by far but a lot , and nothing is close to a 964rs
Other than that don't have any strong feelings about the subject !
With a chassis set up and some exhaust bypassery, it is the best of all the 911's to drive for all round goodness. The veritable sweet spot in the line up. The 3.2 is a bit too old and the 993 is a bit too new.
The market is understanding this, and that the original press reviews of carrera 4's with 3 inch front wheelarch gaps, and the fact that some cars needed oil leaks fixed, is all irrelevant now. In fact, Evo came to the same conclusion when they reviewed everything from 60's 911 to 991..
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2878...
Edit: They also quite liked the 996
Edit 2:964 Service interval is 12k miles..
The market is understanding this, and that the original press reviews of carrera 4's with 3 inch front wheelarch gaps, and the fact that some cars needed oil leaks fixed, is all irrelevant now. In fact, Evo came to the same conclusion when they reviewed everything from 60's 911 to 991..
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2878...
Edit: They also quite liked the 996
Edit 2:964 Service interval is 12k miles..
Edited by Johnny G Pipe on Wednesday 10th September 14:28
Johnny G Pipe said:
With a chassis set up and some exhaust bypassery, it is the best of all the 911's to drive for all round goodness. The veritable sweet spot in the line up. The 3.2 is a bit too old and the 993 is a bit too new.
The market is understanding this, and that the original press reviews of carrera 4's with 3 inch front wheelarch gaps, and the fact that some cars needed oil leaks fixed, is all irrelevant now. In fact, Evo came to the same conclusion when they reviewed everything from 60's 911 to 991..
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2878...
Edit: They also quite liked the 996
Edit 2:964 Service interval is 12k miles..
Nice article tks...More 964 groups than any other model seeminglyThe market is understanding this, and that the original press reviews of carrera 4's with 3 inch front wheelarch gaps, and the fact that some cars needed oil leaks fixed, is all irrelevant now. In fact, Evo came to the same conclusion when they reviewed everything from 60's 911 to 991..
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2878...
Edit: They also quite liked the 996
Edit 2:964 Service interval is 12k miles..
Edited by Johnny G Pipe on Wednesday 10th September 14:28
fredt said:
Beyond me as well. The only 911 I don't like. The afterthought-like bumpers make it look like a blob
Taste moves on and the 964 shape has aged well. The basic lines are pure 911, but the bumpers work now whith what we are used to with modern cars. The 964 from a dynamic perspective has always been an awesome car.Time has educated the masses to the virtues of these hidden gems and that’s why they are so popular. The UK 964 community is as strong as the cars are awesome.
As for the water cooled cars, only the gt3 variants will be icons in the same way as the air-cooled models, because they offer the visceral delights that enthusiasts want. The standard cars are dull, especially the 996. The 996 left me cold. I never really fell in love with my 997TT either.
TKM said:
Truly , a 964rs is the best driving car ever ( IMO ).........
The turbo 3.6 2 is the best turbo of all time ( IMOx2 ).....
There is not a more impactful and purposeful , dare I say pretty basic 911 than a 964 ( IMOx3 )
I haven't driven every car by far but a lot , and nothing is close to a 964rs
Other than that don't have any strong feelings about the subject !
Having owned a 964RS Lightweight, I can say it is definitely not the best driving car ever!The turbo 3.6 2 is the best turbo of all time ( IMOx2 ).....
There is not a more impactful and purposeful , dare I say pretty basic 911 than a 964 ( IMOx3 )
I haven't driven every car by far but a lot , and nothing is close to a 964rs
Other than that don't have any strong feelings about the subject !
On a damp or bumpy road the 964RS has trouble keeping up with a hot hatch and is not a pleasant experience to arrive dripping with nervous sweat.
kitesurfer2 said:
Having owned a 964RS Lightweight, I can say it is definitely not the best driving car ever!
On a damp or bumpy road the 964RS has trouble keeping up with a hot hatch and is not a pleasant experience to arrive dripping with nervous sweat.
Isn't that true for any of the RS's? Obviously a lot comes down to set up but if you have got a 'track car' running track geo... then bumpy roads are going to be compromised, and wet bumpy roads even more so. On a damp or bumpy road the 964RS has trouble keeping up with a hot hatch and is not a pleasant experience to arrive dripping with nervous sweat.
Nurburgsingh said:
Isn't that true for any of the RS's? Obviously a lot comes down to set up but if you have got a 'track car' running track geo... then bumpy roads are going to be compromised, and wet bumpy roads even more so.
No. 993 RS and 996 GT3 RS are more compliant. In fact the latter astounded me with combining my RS' steering feel with excellent damping. Haven't driven 997 though, so can't comment but would expect this theme to continue.I would argue they are more financially accessible, and therefore open to market more likely to use Facebook.
They will be the next 911 model to go up in price (well, they already have) as they combine classic looks without the histrionics of running a genuine vintage 911. For me though, not an especially special or desirable car. I'd argue i'm in the majority given they have been unloved for some time.
They will be the next 911 model to go up in price (well, they already have) as they combine classic looks without the histrionics of running a genuine vintage 911. For me though, not an especially special or desirable car. I'd argue i'm in the majority given they have been unloved for some time.
I do find it odd how the motoring journalists seemed to do a U-turn in their reviews of the 964. I think it's simply group think that now propels all the hype, but how it reached a tipping point is a mystery to me. Perhaps the halo effect of the RS and its stratospheric rise in values has helped more than anything else? The RS was always raved about, but other 964s were unloved for a long time. And as values were so low for many years, we know a lot of cars were not looked after. Perhaps their increasing rarity now - in good condition - is another reason?
Having read lots of Motoring magazines all my life, I think the 964 was always judged more favorably on the drive and noise, than it's awkward looks from some angles. To me it looks great from the front and side profiles, but that rear bumper has never looked beautiful other than the beefier and squat RS version with its wider rear tyres.
When I was looking to buy earlier this year, I was considering 3.2 Carreras, 964s, and 993s. I hankered after a car that would be involving, mechanical in feel, and exciting to drive. And for the noise and character, and original 911 heritage, it had to be air cooled. 964s rate pretty highly against these criteria.
I drove a tiptronic 964 many years ago, and found it quite sluggish in acceleration so that spoiled my first and only drive in a 964. The noise was fantastic though, as well as the feel of the car. I bought a 993, despite intending to look for a 964 or 3.2 Carrera, mainly because that shape looks so right from any angle. I honestly think I'd enjoy owning any of these models of air cooled 911. And I'm glad the 964 is in favour again.
Having read lots of Motoring magazines all my life, I think the 964 was always judged more favorably on the drive and noise, than it's awkward looks from some angles. To me it looks great from the front and side profiles, but that rear bumper has never looked beautiful other than the beefier and squat RS version with its wider rear tyres.
When I was looking to buy earlier this year, I was considering 3.2 Carreras, 964s, and 993s. I hankered after a car that would be involving, mechanical in feel, and exciting to drive. And for the noise and character, and original 911 heritage, it had to be air cooled. 964s rate pretty highly against these criteria.
I drove a tiptronic 964 many years ago, and found it quite sluggish in acceleration so that spoiled my first and only drive in a 964. The noise was fantastic though, as well as the feel of the car. I bought a 993, despite intending to look for a 964 or 3.2 Carrera, mainly because that shape looks so right from any angle. I honestly think I'd enjoy owning any of these models of air cooled 911. And I'm glad the 964 is in favour again.
Outliar said:
I do find it odd how the motoring journalists seemed to do a U-turn in their reviews of the 964. I think it's simply group think that now propels all the hype, but how it reached a tipping point is a mystery to me. Perhaps the halo effect of the RS and its stratospheric rise in values has helped more than anything else? The RS was always raved about, but other 964s were unloved for a long time. And as values were so low for many years, we know a lot of cars were not looked after. Perhaps their increasing rarity now - in good condition - is another reason?
Having read lots of Motoring magazines all my life, I think the 964 was always judged more favorably on the drive and noise, than it's awkward looks from some angles. To me it looks great from the front and side profiles, but that rear bumper has never looked beautiful other than the beefier and squat RS version with its wider rear tyres.
When I was looking to buy earlier this year, I was considering 3.2 Carreras, 964s, and 993s. I hankered after a car that would be involving, mechanical in feel, and exciting to drive. And for the noise and character, and original 911 heritage, it had to be air cooled. 964s rate pretty highly against these criteria.
I drove a tiptronic 964 many years ago, and found it quite sluggish in acceleration so that spoiled my first and only drive in a 964. The noise was fantastic though, as well as the feel of the car. I bought a 993, despite intending to look for a 964 or 3.2 Carrera, mainly because that shape looks so right from any angle. I honestly think I'd enjoy owning any of these models of air cooled 911. And I'm glad the 964 is in favour again.
The standard 964's were was the ones that had good reviews at launch, the RS wasn't raved about due to it's hard ride and a lack of reason to use it (trackdays weren't as popular).Having read lots of Motoring magazines all my life, I think the 964 was always judged more favorably on the drive and noise, than it's awkward looks from some angles. To me it looks great from the front and side profiles, but that rear bumper has never looked beautiful other than the beefier and squat RS version with its wider rear tyres.
When I was looking to buy earlier this year, I was considering 3.2 Carreras, 964s, and 993s. I hankered after a car that would be involving, mechanical in feel, and exciting to drive. And for the noise and character, and original 911 heritage, it had to be air cooled. 964s rate pretty highly against these criteria.
I drove a tiptronic 964 many years ago, and found it quite sluggish in acceleration so that spoiled my first and only drive in a 964. The noise was fantastic though, as well as the feel of the car. I bought a 993, despite intending to look for a 964 or 3.2 Carrera, mainly because that shape looks so right from any angle. I honestly think I'd enjoy owning any of these models of air cooled 911. And I'm glad the 964 is in favour again.
I think the 964 image then started to suffer a little due to the early oil leak issues and having a relatively short lifespan before the 993 was introduced.
The 3.2 Carrera is far more agricultural than the 993, I moved from 3.2 to 993 C4 and back to 3.2 because I missed the raw feel of the earlier car. Funny the 993 used to be the prettiest 911 in my eyes until I owned it and then I found it quite plastic and bloated compared to the beautifully proportioned earlier cars.
The 964 bumpers do look a little heavy, but when set to the right ride height and with the RS rear bumper I think they look great and I love the smaller footprint (compared to todays bigger 911's).
g7jhp said:
The standard 964's were was the ones that had good reviews at launch, the RS wasn't raved about due to it's hard ride and a lack of reason to use it (trackdays weren't as popular).
I think the 964 image then started to suffer a little due to the early oil leak issues and having a relatively short lifespan before the 993 was introduced.
The 3.2 Carrera is far more agricultural than the 993, I moved from 3.2 to 993 C4 and back to 3.2 because I missed the raw feel of the earlier car. Funny the 993 used to be the prettiest 911 in my eyes until I owned it and then I found it quite plastic and bloated compared to the beautifully proportioned earlier cars.
The 964 bumpers do look a little heavy, but when set to the right ride height and with the RS rear bumper I think they look great and I love the smaller footprint (compared to todays bigger 911's).
Yes agree the smaller earlier cars look the best. The chrome bumpered 911s are the prettiest of all 911s.
I do agree the 993 has a bit too much plastic trim, but everything is such high quality and solid it doesn't detract from the overall feel. But bloated? That's a bit harsh: a 991 is bloated!
Wish I could have an earlier 911 too for sunny blasts and just to look at!
I think the 964 image then started to suffer a little due to the early oil leak issues and having a relatively short lifespan before the 993 was introduced.
The 3.2 Carrera is far more agricultural than the 993, I moved from 3.2 to 993 C4 and back to 3.2 because I missed the raw feel of the earlier car. Funny the 993 used to be the prettiest 911 in my eyes until I owned it and then I found it quite plastic and bloated compared to the beautifully proportioned earlier cars.
The 964 bumpers do look a little heavy, but when set to the right ride height and with the RS rear bumper I think they look great and I love the smaller footprint (compared to todays bigger 911's).
Yes agree the smaller earlier cars look the best. The chrome bumpered 911s are the prettiest of all 911s.
I do agree the 993 has a bit too much plastic trim, but everything is such high quality and solid it doesn't detract from the overall feel. But bloated? That's a bit harsh: a 991 is bloated!
Wish I could have an earlier 911 too for sunny blasts and just to look at!
g7jhp said:
The standard 964's were was the ones that had good reviews at launch, the RS wasn't raved about due to it's hard ride and a lack of reason to use it (trackdays weren't as popular).
I think the 964 image then started to suffer a little due to the early oil leak issues and having a relatively short lifespan before the 993 was introduced.
The 3.2 Carrera is far more agricultural than the 993, I moved from 3.2 to 993 C4 and back to 3.2 because I missed the raw feel of the earlier car. Funny the 993 used to be the prettiest 911 in my eyes until I owned it and then I found it quite plastic and bloated compared to the beautifully proportioned earlier cars.
The 964 bumpers do look a little heavy, but when set to the right ride height and with the RS rear bumper I think they look great and I love the smaller footprint (compared to todays bigger 911's).
Yes agree the smaller earlier cars look the best. The chrome bumpered 911s are the prettiest of all 911s.
I do agree the 993 has a bit too much plastic trim, but everything is such high quality and solid it doesn't detract from the overall feel. But bloated? That's a bit harsh: a 991 is bloated!
Wish I could have an earlier 911 too for sunny blasts and just to look at!
I think the 964 image then started to suffer a little due to the early oil leak issues and having a relatively short lifespan before the 993 was introduced.
The 3.2 Carrera is far more agricultural than the 993, I moved from 3.2 to 993 C4 and back to 3.2 because I missed the raw feel of the earlier car. Funny the 993 used to be the prettiest 911 in my eyes until I owned it and then I found it quite plastic and bloated compared to the beautifully proportioned earlier cars.
The 964 bumpers do look a little heavy, but when set to the right ride height and with the RS rear bumper I think they look great and I love the smaller footprint (compared to todays bigger 911's).
Yes agree the smaller earlier cars look the best. The chrome bumpered 911s are the prettiest of all 911s.
I do agree the 993 has a bit too much plastic trim, but everything is such high quality and solid it doesn't detract from the overall feel. But bloated? That's a bit harsh: a 991 is bloated!
Wish I could have an earlier 911 too for sunny blasts and just to look at!
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