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Sandy59 said:
Flappy paddles ??
Seriously, how did you get on without a clutch, did it detract from the experience like it supposedly does in a Spyder for example ??
for a 600BHp car yes I thought is was very easy to drive and did detract from full driver involvement.Seriously, how did you get on without a clutch, did it detract from the experience like it supposedly does in a Spyder for example ??
I would say for Fun my Spyder gives more.
on my short 10 miles drive though it was nice to have 600BHp, but on the road totally not usable , I would be in jail within a week.
Robbo66 said:
I thought so too....then I drove it.
There's a few on here that have no driven one, and seem to be an absolute authority on driving experience and future values....mostly negative....
I'm not one to praise a car 'because I bought it'...there's the Aston forum for that.
You simply cannot have subjective, honest and concrete opinion until you have driven one IMO.
Anyone can have an opinion or preference without driving a car. Ie, I'm not interested in a Toyota IQ, but I also agree that to make comparisons between cars, you have to have driven them. There's a few on here that have no driven one, and seem to be an absolute authority on driving experience and future values....mostly negative....
I'm not one to praise a car 'because I bought it'...there's the Aston forum for that.
You simply cannot have subjective, honest and concrete opinion until you have driven one IMO.
I'd love the 991 to be as visceral as its forebearers.
I am with cmoose on this, I prefer cars with a manual gearshift - and I can say that without having driven a particular car.
Having said that, I am sure I would enjoy driving a 991 GT3, just maybe not as much as one with a 6-speed manual. I do not drive on track and using my left foot and right hand just gives me that little extra interaction to keep me entertained even when driving on a boring road / just going to the shops. It is all about personal preferences and not about which one is better or worse.
Having said that, I am sure I would enjoy driving a 991 GT3, just maybe not as much as one with a 6-speed manual. I do not drive on track and using my left foot and right hand just gives me that little extra interaction to keep me entertained even when driving on a boring road / just going to the shops. It is all about personal preferences and not about which one is better or worse.
ferdi p said:
anonymous said:
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I can...I know that you will prefer the paddles & once driven you will wonder why you had such silly thoughts that a manual may have actually been better!
i know you will love man love and once you've tried you will wonder why you had such silly thoughts that straight sex was better
(..or whatever doesn't currently float your boat etc)
yes. but now i have a caged CSL and i think there is a place for flappy paddles in this world. I wonder if it is because of torque and the poor auto mode.
i never think twice about being in manual mode in the CSL but find it silly and counter-productive in the C63 where even when pressing on i prefer sport auto.
i never think twice about being in manual mode in the CSL but find it silly and counter-productive in the C63 where even when pressing on i prefer sport auto.
Robbo66 said:
The 'broken record ' ?. Possibly, but have not heard of one, though you obviously have. Obviously.
The GT3 would not be half the car it is with the Manual box, ie, all the systems the RWS, engine torque ranges, even the brake calibrations are all designed to work around the PDK-SAPOLO1 said:
The GT3 would not be half the car it is with the Manual box, ie, all the systems the RWS, engine torque ranges, even the brake calibrations are all designed to work around the PDK-S
Like a Nissan then :-)When I drove the 458S I though the PDK/DCT type box was the only choice, cars this fast have no time for manual input.
To me though it's the slower cars which fail with Auto's and then the cars ruined. An Auto in a slow car like a Cayman gives you nothing to do.
The steering is so fast and direct and the cars so fast with the 458s you cannot get your hands off the wheel lol
mrdemon said:
APOLO1 said:
The GT3 would not be half the car it is with the Manual box, ie, all the systems the RWS, engine torque ranges, even the brake calibrations are all designed to work around the PDK-S
Like a Nissan then :-)When I drove the 458S I though the PDK/DCT type box was the only choice, cars this fast have no time for manual input.
To me though it's the slower cars which fail with Auto's and then the cars ruined. An Auto in a slow car like a Cayman gives you nothing to do.
The steering is so fast and direct and the cars so fast with the 458s you cannot get your hands off the wheel lol
As a side note, why would you choose a 458 over a GT3? They are both far too quick for the road, they both have automatic gearboxes and they are both swimming in electronic assistance.
V8KSN said:
mrdemon said:
APOLO1 said:
The GT3 would not be half the car it is with the Manual box, ie, all the systems the RWS, engine torque ranges, even the brake calibrations are all designed to work around the PDK-S
Like a Nissan then :-)When I drove the 458S I though the PDK/DCT type box was the only choice, cars this fast have no time for manual input.
To me though it's the slower cars which fail with Auto's and then the cars ruined. An Auto in a slow car like a Cayman gives you nothing to do.
The steering is so fast and direct and the cars so fast with the 458s you cannot get your hands off the wheel lol
As a side note, why would you choose a 458 over a GT3? They are both far too quick for the road, they both have automatic gearboxes and they are both swimming in electronic assistance.
V8KSN said:
Have you thought that maybe the same is true of the 991 GT3? Its a very very quick car (maybe too quick?) and all contemporary reviews state its an amazing acomplished machine and even Chris Harris says it would not work with a manual gearbox so maybe, like you say, this car is also too fast for manual input.
As a side note, why would you choose a 458 over a GT3? They are both far too quick for the road, they both have automatic gearboxes and they are both swimming in electronic assistance.
yes I agree the 991 GT3 needs PDK, it prob does make the carAs a side note, why would you choose a 458 over a GT3? They are both far too quick for the road, they both have automatic gearboxes and they are both swimming in electronic assistance.
yes I love the 458S, it's that lust thing we talked about, I loved my drive in it and I have always wanted a Ferrari.
I loved the fast steering, I love how the car changed direction, I loved the Short ratios , (but the 991 GT3 at last has shorter ones)
I love the performance 600BHp, and I like the Torque, the looks, the inside, the way there is not a 60k base model like the 991 GT3 has a base 991.
the 991 GT3 just seems a nice car, not quite as edgy as the 458S (it seems) so in Auto are you 100% maxed out, it's looks GTR easy to drive.
I would love to be able to keep my SPyder for the full rev's out manual driving open top fun car.
but the 458S just does it for me ;-)
mrdemon said:
yes I agree the 991 GT3 needs PDK, it prob does make the car
yes I love the 458S, it's that lust thing we talked about, I loved my drive in it and I have always wanted a Ferrari.
I loved the fast steering, I love how the car changed direction, I loved the Short ratios , (but the 991 GT3 at last has shorter ones)
I love the performance 600BHp, and I like the Torque, the looks, the inside, the way there is not a 60k base model like the 991 GT3 has a base 991.
the 991 GT3 just seems a nice car, not quite as edgy as the 458S (it seems) so in Auto are you 100% maxed out, it's looks GTR easy to drive.
I would love to be able to keep my SPyder for the full rev's out manual driving open top fun car.
but the 458S just does it for me ;-)
think you will like what's on the way...yes I love the 458S, it's that lust thing we talked about, I loved my drive in it and I have always wanted a Ferrari.
I loved the fast steering, I love how the car changed direction, I loved the Short ratios , (but the 991 GT3 at last has shorter ones)
I love the performance 600BHp, and I like the Torque, the looks, the inside, the way there is not a 60k base model like the 991 GT3 has a base 991.
the 991 GT3 just seems a nice car, not quite as edgy as the 458S (it seems) so in Auto are you 100% maxed out, it's looks GTR easy to drive.
I would love to be able to keep my SPyder for the full rev's out manual driving open top fun car.
but the 458S just does it for me ;-)
V8KSN said:
Have you thought that maybe the same is true of the 991 GT3? Its a very very quick car (maybe too quick?) and all contemporary reviews state its an amazing acomplished machine and even Chris Harris says it would not work with a manual gearbox so maybe, like you say, this car is also too fast for manual input.
I don't really buy this 'too quick for a manual' argument... The GT2 RS is a quicker car in the right hands and it's... a manual. As is the CGT.isaldiri said:
I don't really buy this 'too quick for a manual' argument... The GT2 RS is a quicker car in the right hands and it's... a manual. As is the CGT.
Sorry, I was paraphrasing mrdemon.What I was trying to say was CH mentioned in an article that the engine of the new GT3 is so free-revving that it would not work with a manual gearbox as you would be contantly changing gears to keep the engine in the sweet spot.
Nothing is really too quick for a manual. A flappy paddle system just makes things even quicker. I've yet to drive a flappy paddle that does not rob the driver of some involvement. There is a limit as to what is too quick on the road, and I'd rather enjoy my drive than the irrelevance of being able to change gears in fractions of a second quicker. But unfortunately, it's the future.
isaldiri said:
I don't really buy this 'too quick for a manual' argument... The GT2 RS is a quicker car in the right hands and it's... a manual. As is the CGT.
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