About to pull the trigger... 997GT3

About to pull the trigger... 997GT3

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Dogbash

Original Poster:

477 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Well, deal has been agreed on the Gen 1 car.

Pick it up Saturday afternoon. Cant wait!!

Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Dogbash said:
Well, deal has been agreed on the Gen 1 car.

Pick it up Saturday afternoon. Cant wait!!
good man you wont be disappointed . Im based just along the A12 from there

Dogbash

Original Poster:

477 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Scooty100 said:
good man you wont be disappointed . Im based just along the A12 from there
Cheers, will have to meet up for a blast some time. I live in the Great Yarmouth area so not too far away.

Andrew

neil-f

1,647 posts

206 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Dogbash said:
Well, deal has been agreed on the Gen 1 car.

Pick it up Saturday afternoon. Cant wait!!
Congratulations, enjoy in good health.
You can drive back to Colchester for Sunday morning coffee, as Lancaster group are putting on cars and coffee morning.

Dogbash

Original Poster:

477 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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neil-f said:
Congratulations, enjoy in good health.
You can drive back to Colchester for Sunday morning coffee, as Lancaster group are putting on cars and coffee morning.
Yeah, Rob mentioned they were doing something.

Apparently they are going to have a black 918 with Martini stripes there.

Andrew

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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mrdemon said:
on all the vmax days and track days the gen 2 does not really pull away noticeably at all, they ni on have the same engine. 1/4 miles times are 0.2 between them best recorded and the cars are 20bhp apart !!!
Drag strip stuff is pretty irrelevant to the debate - the 3.8 hauls a little more aero and that blunts the difference if you are revving the nuts off in a straight line. It is only a few car lengths over the entire length of DH at the 'ring. However, where the difference that Danny was alluding to is felt is pulling through the mid range of the engine when punching out of corners. There are a few places where a 3.6 really needs a down change but the 3.8 is faster just torquing through and skipping that extra gear change. The 3.6 is a spikier engine and suffers if it falls off of the higher cam profile, but the 3.8 pulls very linearly and is thus much more user friendly.

What this actually means is that there is a very distinct drivability advantage of the 3.8 as a road car, but if both are well driven they are actually pretty close on the track.

Other things that people often miss in this debate include that the 3.8 has different spring rates, out of the box it has more adjustment on the rear ARB (the part supersedes the 997.1 item, so if that was ever replaced on the older car it will have the same part as the 3.8 though), nicer steering wheel, the folding buckets were available (the best seat for the car - the fixed buckets were the only option on the 997.1 and they are too narrow for the powerfully built), the TPMS system is standard (was optional and very rarely specified on the gen 1) and the navigation system where fitted is night an day better. A gen 1 can be made to handle as well as a gen 2 with a decent geo and some fettling, but at standard settings the gen 2 drives noticeably better.

The centre lock wheels look better, but are a bit of a pain in the backside and constitute the only real advantage of going for the older car.

All said though, at current pricing it could be argued that the gen 1 is slightly better value for money and is slightly cheaper to own. There is thus no bad decision to be made when choosing between the two.

isaldiri

18,418 posts

167 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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A bit out of topic - one reads a lot about the PASM issue with respect to trail braking but most references on this seem to be on the gen1 car.. Is this still as much of an issue with the gen2 with the (presumably upgraded) next gen PASM? Or going further has anyone here stuck on Ohlins/JRZs on a gen2 and got the similar improvements to the Harris car that had exe-tc..?

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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mrdemon said:
on all the vmax days and track days the gen 2 does not really pull away noticeably at all, they ni on have the same engine. 1/4 miles times are 0.2 between them best recorded and the cars are 20bhp apart !!!
Then maybe the drivers need to press the loud pedal a bit harder, my experience is different.

So it pulls away, but you don't notice it....but it still pulls away. jeezus. If a tree falls down in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it still make a sound?

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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isaldiri said:
A bit out of topic - one reads a lot about the PASM issue with respect to trail braking but most references on this seem to be on the gen1 car.. Is this still as much of an issue with the gen2 with the (presumably upgraded) next gen PASM? Or going further has anyone here stuck on Ohlins/JRZs on a gen2 and got the similar improvements to the Harris car that had exe-tc..?
There are a few people out there running Ohlins and KWs, but not many. I don't think that the PASM is really any better in itself from gen 1 to gen 2, but the stiffer springing on the newer car seems to help and the turn in is certainly better out of the box. However, you really do have to turn off the driver aids for it to balance properly and not obliterate its brakes. Undulating circuits with camber changes like Zandvoort really do expose the limitations of PASM though (for whatever my opinion is worth).

mrdemon

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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ttdan said:
Then maybe the drivers need to press the loud pedal a bit harder, my experience is different.

So it pulls away, but you don't notice it....but it still pulls away. jeezus. If a tree falls down in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it still make a sound?
Just quoting some facts which you guys seem to hate ;-) don't get the tree comment just makes you look stupid.

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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mrdemon said:
ttdan said:
Then maybe the drivers need to press the loud pedal a bit harder, my experience is different.

So it pulls away, but you don't notice it....but it still pulls away. jeezus. If a tree falls down in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it still make a sound?
Just quoting some facts which you guys seem to hate ;-) don't get the tree comment just makes you look stupid.
Thanks for the kind words.

let chris explain the difference

http://youtu.be/45DWdH20Hmg

isaldiri

18,418 posts

167 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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DiscoColin said:
There are a few people out there running Ohlins and KWs, but not many. I don't think that the PASM is really any better in itself from gen 1 to gen 2, but the stiffer springing on the newer car seems to help and the turn in is certainly better out of the box. However, you really do have to turn off the driver aids for it to balance properly and not obliterate its brakes. Undulating circuits with camber changes like Zandvoort really do expose the limitations of PASM though (for whatever my opinion is worth).
alright, that's interesting to know thanks.



maxest

303 posts

217 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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curley said:
Hi
Just to go off topic a bit I have a 997 gen 2 that will be for sale when I get back to the UK in 10 days

Clubsport
Fixed Carrera GT buckets
Front lift
Dynamic mounts
Leather interior ( dash and door trims ) with Alcantara bits
One owner
Full opc history
Opc warranty to December 2015
White
PCM with sat nav
Not tracked ( have another car for that )
24,000 miles

Let me know if it's of interest to anyone .My new car is on its way from Germany today
I bit goes straight to auto reply. Please email more details to maxest199@yahoo.co.uk

gt3nor

113 posts

159 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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According to Rennlist, PASM issues seems to have been solved: http://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/83423...

There are a lot of threads on this product now that are worth looking at, do a search on Rennlist.

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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gt3nor said:
According to Rennlist, PASM issues seems to have been solved: http://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/83423...

There are a lot of threads on this product now that are worth looking at, do a search on Rennlist.
Interesting box of tricks.

nsm3

2,831 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Are these 7.1's really selling for 70k??

I only paid 67k four years ago and traded it for 52k only 12 months ago at 13k miles!!

Every bleeding time I manage to do this :-(

Dogbash

Original Poster:

477 posts

178 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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nsm3 said:
Are these 7.1's really selling for 70k??

I only paid 67k four years ago and traded it for 52k only 12 months ago at 13k miles!!

Every bleeding time I manage to do this :-(
I'm afraid so, I can only see them continuing to go upwards too, maybe at a slower pace now though.

I had the opportunity to buy a white one 2 years ago for 50k so kicking myself too!

Andrew

nsm3

2,831 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Well it certainly looks like you won't lose anything, so enjoy - great cars!

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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gt3nor said:
According to Rennlist, PASM issues seems to have been solved: http://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/83423...

There are a lot of threads on this product now that are worth looking at, do a search on Rennlist.
Intriguing. Bizarre choice of behaviour for the status LED and curious reluctance to publicly reveal a price though.

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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I thought i saw $1100 ?

Agree re the LED's but if it works....