Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
Discussion
DMC2 said:
APOLO1 said:
not my cup of tea......spoiled by the GT3.........
Although amazing on track the 991 GT3 is pretty numb and un-involving as a road car unless you do silly speeds. I am not saying it isn't an incredible car, but in my eyes it is too capable for road driving. Maybe a manual Cayman GT4 will turn out to be a better bet for road going involvement and fun.
No one will ever agree on what car to drive for fun
Some take it all the way and buy a Caterham
Some a bit less have a Lotus
GT3
R
Some say for fun you have to have open top all the way
etc etc
Every one finds a level they are happy with to have a week end fun car, no right or wrong.
Same with PDK vs Manual
I would not be having fun in a 991 GT3 how ever great it is, even my dream 458S I doubt I would be having fun in after a while.
My GT3 was so frustrating I had to sell it.
And a lot of people don't have the cash to goto Spa every month.
I like a week end blat with mates and the R/Spyder both do that area perfect, I don't really need a GT4, just don't fancy missing out on one lol
And I always like to own the best car in that range/model.
I am a bit scared to even part with my R as it is perfect for me, but too tempted with a few more BHp and this GT4
Some take it all the way and buy a Caterham
Some a bit less have a Lotus
GT3
R
Some say for fun you have to have open top all the way
etc etc
Every one finds a level they are happy with to have a week end fun car, no right or wrong.
Same with PDK vs Manual
I would not be having fun in a 991 GT3 how ever great it is, even my dream 458S I doubt I would be having fun in after a while.
My GT3 was so frustrating I had to sell it.
And a lot of people don't have the cash to goto Spa every month.
I like a week end blat with mates and the R/Spyder both do that area perfect, I don't really need a GT4, just don't fancy missing out on one lol
And I always like to own the best car in that range/model.
I am a bit scared to even part with my R as it is perfect for me, but too tempted with a few more BHp and this GT4
APOLO1 said:
lemmingjames said:
APOLO1 said:
not my cup of tea......spoiled by the GT3.........
sure sure, weve heard that beforeDoes the 918 have it?
APOLO1 said:
DMC2 said:
APOLO1 said:
not my cup of tea......spoiled by the GT3.........
Although amazing on track the 991 GT3 is pretty numb and un-involving as a road car unless you do silly speeds. I am not saying it isn't an incredible car, but in my eyes it is too capable for road driving. Maybe a manual Cayman GT4 will turn out to be a better bet for road going involvement and fun.anonymous said:
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I felt like that for many years and always preferred the peaky/ revvy nature of small capacity engines but (I don't know whether it is age or spending more time driving in town) I do like a slug of torque these days. Yeah, it's not going to be a night and day difference with 200cc or 400cc extra capacity but it may be noticeable.I know it's too early to say but I suspect this would be a keeper for me and (for once) I'll try and keep it 100% standard. I guess a 3.6 would be a good compromise with a little over 100bhp/litre and since Porsche don't use a 3.6 anywhere else at the moment, it would also be bespoke to the car, which would be a nice touch (until the Spyder comes and presumably shares the same engine).
dom9 said:
I felt like that for many years and always preferred the peaky/ revvy nature of small capacity engines but (I don't know whether it is age or spending more time driving in town) I do like a slug of torque these days. Yeah, it's not going to be a night and day difference with 200cc or 400cc extra capacity but it may be noticeable.
I know it's too early to say but I suspect this would be a keeper for me and (for once) I'll try and keep it 100% standard. I guess a 3.6 would be a good compromise with a little over 100bhp/litre and since Porsche don't use a 3.6 anywhere else at the moment, it would also be bespoke to the car, which would be a nice touch (until the Spyder comes and presumably shares the same engine).
I agree, the Cayman just needs a bit more torque imo, always nice to move the rear end under power and not lift off.I know it's too early to say but I suspect this would be a keeper for me and (for once) I'll try and keep it 100% standard. I guess a 3.6 would be a good compromise with a little over 100bhp/litre and since Porsche don't use a 3.6 anywhere else at the moment, it would also be bespoke to the car, which would be a nice touch (until the Spyder comes and presumably shares the same engine).
ATM if the R understeers, you have to lift off to tuck in, where with a dab more torque you can move the rear end instead with power :-)
always a nice feeling to have shove out the bends. revs fail in this dept and it revs to over 7k anyway.
anonymous said:
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And that's a perfectly valid argument... I just think that a 3.4 will be an electronically tuned version of the same engine fromt he GTS. A 3.6 would likely have similar power/ torque characteristics (but a little bit 'more', a little bit 'earlier') but be bespoke, which would 'lift' it for me.mrdemon said:
I agree, the Cayman just needs a bit more torque imo, always nice to move the rear end under power and not lift off.
ATM if the R understeers, you have to lift off to tuck in, where with a dab more torque you can move the rear end instead with power :-)
always a nice feeling to have shove out the bends. revs fail in this dept and it revs to over 7k anyway.
I can't speak from experience like you, David, but that's an interesting point of view from an owner who can peddle a bit.ATM if the R understeers, you have to lift off to tuck in, where with a dab more torque you can move the rear end instead with power :-)
always a nice feeling to have shove out the bends. revs fail in this dept and it revs to over 7k anyway.
A surplus of power doesn't really help much, day to day. A surplus of torque would always be nice to have on tap.
Maybe I am just looking for the diesel version
As much as depreciation isn't a big factor for me (with the intention of it being a life keeper) I think a 3.6 on top of GT badging would make me feel more 'comfortable' than a 3.4 (used elsewhere) and 'R' badging (though it looks like we won't get that).
Still waiting for written confirmation from my OPC to land on my door mat (though there is always a chance Bella has hidden/ eaten it)...
My ideal spec now is probably:
- Fixed, carbon buckets
- Alcantara everything (and deviated stitching, of course
)- Mechanical LSD
- Some aero to set it apart from GTS
- Recalibrated suspension and steering, specific to GT4
- Lift as an option, if required (my drive has a bit of a slope on entry)
- 3.6 NA flat 6 with >100bhp/litre
- Weight <1,300kg (may be easier said than done)
- PDK-S as an option (one I'd take but Manual won't prevent me from buying)
Now, I think that is all pretty achievable...
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Would a Cayman need rear wheel steer though? My understanding was it is used on the 911 to overcome its inherrant tendency to understeer at corner entry due to the rear engined weight balance? Something a Cayman isn't inclined to do.
Does the 918 have it?
the rws acutely aides low speed turn in, the engine mounts go a long way the help with the point above.....yes the 918 has it and more.....Does the 918 have it?
APOLO1 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Would a Cayman need rear wheel steer though? My understanding was it is used on the 911 to overcome its inherrant tendency to understeer at corner entry due to the rear engined weight balance? Something a Cayman isn't inclined to do.
Does the 918 have it?
the rws acutely aides low speed turn in, the engine mounts go a long way the help with the point above.....yes the 918 has it and more.....Does the 918 have it?
All speculation regarding engine sizes and power however, i don't think any of us can answer.
I'll stick with what i posted yesterday, if porsche are making this to homologate a car for GT4 entries it will simply get whatever engine they see necessary to win
mrdemon said:
No one will ever agree on what car to drive for fun
Every one finds a level they are happy with to have a week end fun car, no right or wrong.
Same with PDK vs Manual
I am a bit scared to even part with my R as it is perfect for me, but too tempted with a few more BHp and this GT4
Well said, it's a bit of a siren's song to keep on looking for the next 'perfect' car but you've got one (or more) you're perfectly happy with.. ends up being probably a senseless waste of money yet oh so tempting. (off to check the classifieds again...Every one finds a level they are happy with to have a week end fun car, no right or wrong.
Same with PDK vs Manual
I am a bit scared to even part with my R as it is perfect for me, but too tempted with a few more BHp and this GT4
)LaurasOtherHalf said:
Cheers, what i meant by above however is unless they see an engineering/homologation reason for giving the car rws, is there any point in adding its complexity? When i had the Cayman R, the last thing i thought it needed was more turn in, though like mrD above, i did think the engine was lacking in some respects.
All speculation regarding engine sizes and power however, i don't think any of us can answer.
I'll stick with what i posted yesterday, if porsche are making this to homologate a car for GT4 entries it will simply get whatever engine they see necessary to win
the body is not wide enough to accommodate the servos for the rws......All speculation regarding engine sizes and power however, i don't think any of us can answer.
I'll stick with what i posted yesterday, if porsche are making this to homologate a car for GT4 entries it will simply get whatever engine they see necessary to win
isaldiri said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'll stick with what i posted yesterday, if porsche are making this to homologate a car for GT4 entries it will simply get whatever engine they see necessary to win
Ah.. the older 3.6 mezger then maybe! and raise you a if only!Again, i make a bold if, IF Porsche want to sell some GT4s to private teams it has to be based on what they've sold as a road car.
Remember, Porsche have already competed in GT4 with a 911-guess what engine that used..... (Small clue, it was homologated way back in 2007 and was 3.6 litres
)The problem for porsche is if you go down that route you simply buy an old cup car and fit the GT4 parts, no £ in that for them.
If they want a successful GT4 car they first need to build a road car, and they might just want to get in there quick before all the other manufactures.
If this GT4 road car is this, we may just be getting something very special indeed, rather than a marketing department special that people are expecting.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I'll stick with what i posted yesterday, if porsche are making this to homologate a car for GT4 entries it will simply get whatever engine they see necessary to win
Teams wanted to use the GT4 in the VLN (with plenty of Caymen around) but the car Porsche are building does not fit into any of the classes...Edited by Dr S on Thursday 30th October 15:27
I have to be honest - even though i have no real interest in a track special:
(I want something I can drive all of the time and the huge fixed wing on a car this small, precludes it from daily duty for me)
I've been waiting for what seems like forever for my Cayman GTS and am starting to have creeping thoughts about transferring my order to one of these instead.
Yes that wait would be longer again, and although the car has been confirmed - the spec hasn't, but still the idea of owning a potential landmark car like this has me second guessing myself.
(I want something I can drive all of the time and the huge fixed wing on a car this small, precludes it from daily duty for me)
I've been waiting for what seems like forever for my Cayman GTS and am starting to have creeping thoughts about transferring my order to one of these instead.
Yes that wait would be longer again, and although the car has been confirmed - the spec hasn't, but still the idea of owning a potential landmark car like this has me second guessing myself.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 30th October 15:55
spoke to my friendly salesman at the OPC - all he knows is that there will be a GT4 launched early next year, probably at Geneva together with the 991 GT3 RS. as far as spec is concerned, he has no idea, just speculation and his comment was ''I'm sure you'll hear in the press before me''.
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