Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
Discussion
shaunRS said:
DMC2 said:
But you can't really compare a brand new car with a 9 year old car?!
I think that you possibly can because an 8 year old 997 GT3 still qualifies for 2 more years of OPC warranty if it passes the 111 point check / inspection. What does a new GT4 offer over a 997.1 GT3 with Porsche Warranty? They are the same cost and equally hard to obtain
Porsche Club of America have driven the car https://www.facebook.com/porscheclubofamerica
I've pulled out some of their comments:
''Just arrived at GT4 launch and about to head out.
Laying eyes on the car for the first time, it sits even better in real life than in the photos so far...and looks great in other colors...''
''For those who might miss an answer to member Peter Moy's request for a raw brain dump from last night's one-hour drive to the hotel in the GT4: Peter, immediate brain dump from a quick drive to the hotel last night is: This is a killer canyons car. NOT too rough riding (at all), much more refined than expected. Could easily wear a GTS badge in that respect, but louder, keener, and super focused in terms of steering response and handling. 3.8 means you can carry third if you don't drop to second (and fourth instead of third) in a way you can't in a GTS, and the noises are fantastic. 3.8 does NOT feel lazy compared to the 3.4, at all. We head for the track and more driving today...''
''As expected, the car is brilliant on track. An interesting, too. Those who come to the GT4 with no previous GTx experience will find the car confidence inspiring, sharp, keen, and very comfortable on track—yet there is plenty of "headroom" for more experienced track drivers. Walter Röhrl, no newbie, clearly finds the car to be just plain fun, even after GT3s and 918s, and I'd have to agree. The most interesting takeaway from the day so far is that those who have done the 996-2, 997-1, 997-2, and 991 GT3 progression have been able to work from a building knowledge base, taking lessons learned from each chapter and applying them to the new car. But in the GT4, all you can really work from is Cayman S, X73, and/or GTS—the GT4 is something new, clearly keener and sharper in the way of a GT3 but its mid-engined makes it a different paradigm. So we're in for a new story—and the first chapter is already very exciting.''
''They are not strictly limited to 500 or 600 cars like RS 4.0 and GT2 RS, but they are somewhat limited due to supplier chain and planning, as we have seen with regular GT3s and GT3 RSs. It looks like Porsche is able to make about 2500 GT4s worldwide, but they have been overwhelmed by the response. I doubt this will be a first and last chapter.''
''No RS planned or in the works at this time. Power is somewhat limited by the Cayman's exhaust arrangement, which has to go up and over the rear axles. No center locks coming for this car. No functional carbon to speak of as yet, but nothing ruling it out for the future as Porsche seeks to reduce weight. The only functional carbon fiber is in the optional 918 seats. One other thing for those wondering (I was): No Noselift option was developed for this car because the system from the 991 GT3 would not fit with the 981 body in white.''
I've pulled out some of their comments:
''Just arrived at GT4 launch and about to head out.
Laying eyes on the car for the first time, it sits even better in real life than in the photos so far...and looks great in other colors...''
''For those who might miss an answer to member Peter Moy's request for a raw brain dump from last night's one-hour drive to the hotel in the GT4: Peter, immediate brain dump from a quick drive to the hotel last night is: This is a killer canyons car. NOT too rough riding (at all), much more refined than expected. Could easily wear a GTS badge in that respect, but louder, keener, and super focused in terms of steering response and handling. 3.8 means you can carry third if you don't drop to second (and fourth instead of third) in a way you can't in a GTS, and the noises are fantastic. 3.8 does NOT feel lazy compared to the 3.4, at all. We head for the track and more driving today...''
''As expected, the car is brilliant on track. An interesting, too. Those who come to the GT4 with no previous GTx experience will find the car confidence inspiring, sharp, keen, and very comfortable on track—yet there is plenty of "headroom" for more experienced track drivers. Walter Röhrl, no newbie, clearly finds the car to be just plain fun, even after GT3s and 918s, and I'd have to agree. The most interesting takeaway from the day so far is that those who have done the 996-2, 997-1, 997-2, and 991 GT3 progression have been able to work from a building knowledge base, taking lessons learned from each chapter and applying them to the new car. But in the GT4, all you can really work from is Cayman S, X73, and/or GTS—the GT4 is something new, clearly keener and sharper in the way of a GT3 but its mid-engined makes it a different paradigm. So we're in for a new story—and the first chapter is already very exciting.''
''They are not strictly limited to 500 or 600 cars like RS 4.0 and GT2 RS, but they are somewhat limited due to supplier chain and planning, as we have seen with regular GT3s and GT3 RSs. It looks like Porsche is able to make about 2500 GT4s worldwide, but they have been overwhelmed by the response. I doubt this will be a first and last chapter.''
''No RS planned or in the works at this time. Power is somewhat limited by the Cayman's exhaust arrangement, which has to go up and over the rear axles. No center locks coming for this car. No functional carbon to speak of as yet, but nothing ruling it out for the future as Porsche seeks to reduce weight. The only functional carbon fiber is in the optional 918 seats. One other thing for those wondering (I was): No Noselift option was developed for this car because the system from the 991 GT3 would not fit with the 981 body in white.''
Edited by Amathus on Friday 6th March 15:04
turbofreeFLAT6 said:
Thanks Amathus. Sounds like it will feel as hoped. I wonder whether Akrapovic will be able to achieve anything more.
yes, it was interesting to read that. From that I assume RUF were forced to use a more standard 991-look-alike exhaust system to get 430hp out the 3.8L in their Boxster/Cayman model.anonymous said:
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I don't think I've read a single truly negative review from him in the last year or so. When he was at /Drive he seemed to have no problems telling the truth (see Audi RS4 vs C63 and RS4 vs remapped S4... I don't think Audi like these videos) but now that he's a one-man-show and depends on the carmakers to provide the cars, the tone seems to have changed quite a bit.Amathus said:
''They are not strictly limited to 500 or 600 cars like RS 4.0 and GT2 RS, but they are somewhat limited due to supplier chain and planning, as we have seen with regular GT3s and GT3 RSs. It looks like Porsche is able to make about 2500 GT4s worldwide, but they have been overwhelmed by the response. I doubt this will be a first and last chapter.''
Hehe, first the "rumours" were 1500 cars, then Porsche confirmed 2000, now PCA is talking about 2500. Next stop 3000...Amathus said:
Ha ha, Well played. I'm a Stoke City ST holder.
Ill make sure to find out!
Someone make sure this man gets one as he needs something positive in his life ;-)Ill make sure to find out!
Now, we just need the locak authorities to repair all the roads so that everything is smooth so we all enjoy our GT's, no matter how stiff or soft they are
pete a said:
DMC2 said:
But you can't really compare a brand new car with a 9 year old car?!
Trust me , if I parked my mint guards red 8 year old car next to a Cayman GT4 more people would choose the GT3 than the GT4.And it's faster and sounds better and oh yes it's got a 3.6 Mezger lump in it.
I for one dont care how amazing a given old car is, its just not on my radar. An old car is just that, old interiors date old tech old vibe and things move on. When they get so old that they are classics they have a certain appeal again but that takes 20yrs+ to sink in...
Buying new is an amazing and an often expensive experience but you the get 100.0% car you want. You can't compare to wearing somebody else's second hand socks to buying a new clean pair, no matter how warm they are.
Edited by AdamV12V on Friday 6th March 20:59
AdamV12V said:
Hmmm, no disrespect mate but you are off the mark a little. Yes the mass uninformed public who dont know their arse from their elbow in terms of cars might well choose the older GT3 in terms of looks but amongst the petrolheads i think far less would.
I for one dont care how amazing a given old car is, its just not on my radar. An old car is just that, old interiors date old tech old vibe and things move on. When they get so old that they are classics they have a certain appeal again but that takes 20yrs+ to sink in...
Buying new is an amazing and often expensive experience but you the get 100.0% car you want. You can't compare to wearing somebody else's second hand socks to buying a new clean pair, no matter how warm they are.
I think you have it totally wrong! The 'mass uninformed public' would go for the new car, because 'newerer is betterer init?'I for one dont care how amazing a given old car is, its just not on my radar. An old car is just that, old interiors date old tech old vibe and things move on. When they get so old that they are classics they have a certain appeal again but that takes 20yrs+ to sink in...
Buying new is an amazing and often expensive experience but you the get 100.0% car you want. You can't compare to wearing somebody else's second hand socks to buying a new clean pair, no matter how warm they are.
The 997 GT3 is a special car in a way that the GT4 doesnt understand.
pete a said:
Don't take the above posts the wrong way though, I like the GT4, if I were richer I'd have one as well as the GT3 ( I'd have a lot of cars if I was richer) I'm just sticking up for it in light of the no comparison between an old crappy 997
and a shiny new GT4
comment.
With reference to the old tech, old interior comments etc. do you think a 996 or 997 GT3 would be more desirable without the ancient PCM 1 or 2 or even 3 as tech has moved on so much it's more of an embarrassment to have instead of a blank panel? ) I'm just sticking up for it in light of the no comparison between an old crappy 997 and a shiny new GT4 comment.If I do actually get a GT4 I'm thinking of omitting the navigation as tech moves on so quickly the next generation will make the current systems look like a horse and cart compared with an F1 car.
BubblesNW said:
With reference to the old tech, old interior comments etc. do you think a 996 or 997 GT3 would be more desirable without the ancient PCM 1 or 2 or even 3 as tech has moved on so much it's more of an embarrassment to have instead of a blank panel?
If I do actually get a GT4 I'm thinking of omitting the navigation as tech moves on so quickly the next generation will make the current systems look like a horse and cart compared with an F1 car.
No.If I do actually get a GT4 I'm thinking of omitting the navigation as tech moves on so quickly the next generation will make the current systems look like a horse and cart compared with an F1 car.
The tech that comes with the car suits the car and is period. Have you ever seen a 964 with a big phone on a coiled lead? Funny as hell and totally awesome!
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