Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
Discussion
mrdemon said:
that's removing CATS and CO2 levels running 99 ron, Porsche will have to do this with 4 CATS in place and low co2 levels big mpg and on 95 ron.
Why 95 ron? I dunno bout other models but theres a sticker in mine (inside the fuel cap) saying 97 ron.Think my integra was.optomised for 97 ron.
What do the stickers say in your 2?
mrdemon said:
3.4 is not for me, I have 2 amazing 3.4 Porsche's so swapping the R and another 40k for another 3.4 is pointless esp one with electric steering :-)
but we know it's not a 3.4 any way ;-)
Where does the capacity information come from then if it's not known by OPCs?but we know it's not a 3.4 any way ;-)
So we're now being told it's definitely NOT a 3.4 but also it's definitely not a 3.8... Thus has tgo be a 3.6, which will be a bespoke engine, thus make £70k-ish seem very good VFM.
It is frustrating that people won't just say what they ''''know''''. Honestly, what do people think will happen?
every one will know Feb 5th it seems.
No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
anonymous said:
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You'd argue black was white. A 3.6 would be bespoke and that's that. A 3.4 may also be bespoke to the car but the fact that, as a capacity, it is the same as many, many other cars means it is less interesting TO ME. A 3.6 will always be different. A 3.4 may just be a remap with little or no channge to basic architecture.The point is that we don't know and, at this juncture, with no way of getting more specs, the fact that we are being told it isn't a 3.4 is more exciting TO ME.
anonymous said:
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just looks better on paper to me for future resalelike the GT3 RS 4.0
that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.
A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.
I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)
There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.
I don't claim to be "in the know" but I was told by a source much closer than your average OPC that it's a "power pack" (intake,exhaust, remap) 3.4 with 370 PS, priced very close to the Carrera S and available as manual or PDK (not PDK-S).
According to him the whole "limited numbers", "preorder to get a slot" thing is nothing but a marketing effort to get people to preorder, like it happened with the Cayman R. It's still going to be a very nice car, but not very attractive to me.
According to him the whole "limited numbers", "preorder to get a slot" thing is nothing but a marketing effort to get people to preorder, like it happened with the Cayman R. It's still going to be a very nice car, but not very attractive to me.
mrdemon said:
just looks better on paper to me for future resale
like the GT3 RS 4.0
that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.
A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.
I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)
There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.
I think this emphasises the types of people the car will appeal to - not those that want the car for driving purity - just those that want the car for headline statistics, for bragging down the pub and who prioritise resale values over how the car drives.like the GT3 RS 4.0
that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.
A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.
I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)
There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.
It seems the Cayman appeals to a new type of owner these days.
Etc etc
sidicks said:
I think this emphasises the types of people the car will appeal to - not those that want the car for driving purity - just those that want the car for headline statistics, for bragging down the pub and who prioritise resale values over how the car drives.
It seems the Cayman appeals to a new type of owner these days.
Etc etc
why do you think I am keeping my Spyder far better for driving than any other Porsche :-pIt seems the Cayman appeals to a new type of owner these days.
Etc etc
sidicks said:
mrdemon said:
just looks better on paper to me for future resale
like the GT3 RS 4.0
that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.
A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.
I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)
There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.
I think this emphasises the types of people the car will appeal to - not those that want the car for driving purity - just those that want the car for headline statistics, for bragging down the pub and who prioritise resale values over how the car drives.like the GT3 RS 4.0
that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.
A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.
I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)
There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.
It seems the Cayman appeals to a new type of owner these days.
Etc etc
Cruel but fair I'll stand up and it is that simple that I don't buy new cars, so resale is quite high up on the list on the cars I buy.
BUT yes they have to drive well, and Microswitch gear changing is not for me in this type of car.
I cannot afford to loose the sort of money normal new cars loose, that's a fact.
If the GT4 is a power pack/club sported GTS then the Cars not for me new.
I am not looking to sell or make money on the car, just want a great drivers car, but one which runs you at 5k PA loss, not 50% of it's value in 3 years.
I think a 3.6 will offer that better resale value in 3 years.
IF money were no object I would be in a 458S and have microswitch for gears :-) nothing much in between floats my boat not even the 991 GT3.
I'll just keep what I have a bit longer.
BUT yes they have to drive well, and Microswitch gear changing is not for me in this type of car.
I cannot afford to loose the sort of money normal new cars loose, that's a fact.
If the GT4 is a power pack/club sported GTS then the Cars not for me new.
I am not looking to sell or make money on the car, just want a great drivers car, but one which runs you at 5k PA loss, not 50% of it's value in 3 years.
I think a 3.6 will offer that better resale value in 3 years.
IF money were no object I would be in a 458S and have microswitch for gears :-) nothing much in between floats my boat not even the 991 GT3.
I'll just keep what I have a bit longer.
mrdemon said:
every one will know Feb 5th it seems.
No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
its true about nothing to allocate against,but I asked the question if I place a deposit now will I be first in line and was told yes,the deposit is held against a gts at the moment and will be swapped over ASAP.I discussed it with the dealer principal who has been trying to get me back into porsche since my atrocious experiences with the 996 turbo and 997 turbo.No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
mrdemon said:
every one will know Feb 5th it seems.
No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
What is Feb 5th? No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.
You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !
Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.
Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.
They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.
Geneva Show is 5th - 15th March 2015
NY Show is 3rd - 12th April 2015
Sytner Group OPCs are source of Rennlist story
PGB retail are saying little firm info known
Some non-PGB retail OPC's accepting deposits
It will be what it will be
mrdemon said:
I'll stand up and it is that simple that I don't buy new cars, so resale is quite high up on the list on the cars I buy.
BUT yes they have to drive well, and Microswitch gear changing is not for me in this type of car.
I cannot afford to loose the sort of money normal new cars loose, that's a fact.
If the GT4 is a power pack/club sported GTS then the Cars not for me new.
I am not looking to sell or make money on the car, just want a great drivers car, but one which runs you at 5k PA loss, not 50% of it's value in 3 years.
I think a 3.6 will offer that better resale value in 3 years.
IF money were no object I would be in a 458S and have microswitch for gears :-) nothing much in between floats my boat not even the 991 GT3.
I'll just keep what I have a bit longer.
Pretty much +1BUT yes they have to drive well, and Microswitch gear changing is not for me in this type of car.
I cannot afford to loose the sort of money normal new cars loose, that's a fact.
If the GT4 is a power pack/club sported GTS then the Cars not for me new.
I am not looking to sell or make money on the car, just want a great drivers car, but one which runs you at 5k PA loss, not 50% of it's value in 3 years.
I think a 3.6 will offer that better resale value in 3 years.
IF money were no object I would be in a 458S and have microswitch for gears :-) nothing much in between floats my boat not even the 991 GT3.
I'll just keep what I have a bit longer.
It seems sensible to think it won't get the 'old' 997 engine, no matter what. A 3.4, regardless of the fact they claim a billion detail changes, will likely make no more power than is possible to get from a 'normal' 3.4, once the software is cracked, with bolt-ons.
I too would prefer not to drive out of the showroom with something that depreciates like a regular Porsche but depreciates like a GT-numbered car, because that's what it should be and it's a lot of money to me. I believe a 3.6, due to the fact it will be bespoke to the car (ignoring the Spyder for a second) will help that.
Plus, which seems to been forgotten, I, personally, have already stated my preference for more torque, which is almost guaranteed for a larger capacity engine.
Will a 3.4 stop me from following through? Maybe not. Would I prefer a 3.6 for a number of reasons that are not just about the standard PH depreciation worries? Yes - I would enjoy a torquier (rather than peakier) car more - This is about driving pleasure, for me.
And yet, still, we don't know what the engine will be, have no power/ torque curves to compare, don't know gearing (let alone 'box) and no one has driven it. These threads are about what we'd like to see in our prospective purchase. I'd like an engine greater in capacity than a 3.4 to provide differentiation with the rest of the range and for the (likely) increase in torque at lower rpm.
I like tuning and developing cars, so a second hand GTS may be a better bet for me, if I don't feel this is the 'ultimate' incarnation. But still - It might be with a 3.4 but that's not my on paper preference at the moment. If others prefer the smaller capacity, all power (well, a bit less) to them!
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