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turbofreeFLAT6 said:
Don't know why Porsche didn't milk some more out of options by offering 997.2/991 GT3 front axle lift. Would have solved the GT4's only real drawback.
I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
Maybe there just isn't the space for such a system in the GT4? I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
If they had offered it I know I would have definitely added it to my spec.
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AdamV12V said:
turbofreeFLAT6 said:
Don't know why Porsche didn't milk some more out of options by offering 997.2/991 GT3 front axle lift. Would have solved the GT4's only real drawback.
I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
Maybe there just isn't the space for such a system in the GT4? I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
If they had offered it I know I would have definitely added it to my spec.
AdamV12V said:
turbofreeFLAT6 said:
Don't know why Porsche didn't milk some more out of options by offering 997.2/991 GT3 front axle lift. Would have solved the GT4's only real drawback.
I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
Maybe there just isn't the space for such a system in the GT4? I've checked the Cargraphic, Techart and KW websites and can't find any lift systems for the GT4.
If they had offered it I know I would have definitely added it to my spec.
Phooey said:
Decent review from The Getawayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOx_2dIg4Zo
I've just come here to post that link, I like his reviews.He was not impressed with the gear ratios though, I found it interesting he would prefer a 991 GTS over the GT4.
I completely understand his compliant about the gear ratios.
You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
swimd said:
I completely understand his compliant about the gear ratios.
You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
ALL gt3 owners don't see there even longer ratios an issue and they have less torque lower down !!You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
WHY has this never come up for the GT3 (only by me)
who is right now ? MAGS, GT3 owners or me.
FFS it's annoying lol
swimd said:
I completely understand his compliant about the gear ratios.
You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
totally correct. ratios are excellent for track. I never had cause for complain in both the boxster spyder nor cayman R (on track).You have this nice 3.8L engine that produces peak power at the very end of the rev range augmented by the sports exhaust and then you're stuck using one, maybe two gears on most of the fun (= twisty) of the roads you drive on.
That is unless you drive at absolutely indecent speeds which the whole car with chassis and tyres is absolutely capable of, but then you'll likely find yourself doing twice the speed limit and rightfully sitting in a detention centre shortly thereafter.
All manual 987/981s would feel massively faster and more fun with a shortened final drive ratio. In my view there would be zero downsides to it besides higher emissions.
In the end it is a GT4 which is clearly marketed and built for the track so I may very well be missing the point.
Mission accomplished - GT4 is clearly an exceptional and brilliant car but you still want a 911 for the road.
PorscheGT4 said:
ALL gt3 owners don't see there even longer ratios an issue and they have less torque lower down !!
WHY has this never come up for the GT3 (only by me)
who is right now ? MAGS, GT3 owners or me.
FFS it's annoying lol
I haven't driven a GT3 (are we talking 997?) lately but I did test drive the GT4 and felt the power coming out of 2nd gear hair pin corners up some serpentines was not that impressive at all, despite the higher low end torque over a 3.4L 981. WHY has this never come up for the GT3 (only by me)
who is right now ? MAGS, GT3 owners or me.
FFS it's annoying lol
In those situations it felt like it could use another 100 Nm. In fact it felt like it's geared for a turbo engine where you just ride the mid-range torque band all the time.
With the awkwardly geared MT you find yourself stuck in this frustrating position where you enter the hairpin up the mountain pass, 2nd is a bit too long to build revs quickly but it's also not really worth shifting back into 1st.
With PDK you just have to pull the paddle and off you go in 1st. But you wouldn't have to because it is shorter to begin with!
That was the very first time where I thought "hmm, maybe the people who want PDK in their 981s are on to something".
Overall I still strongly prefer the feeling and involvement of the manual but the experience could be so much better on the roads with just a few very small tweaks to the ratios.
agree, and it's any GT3 bar the 991 !!!
did a Spa trip last year and Ring trip and my mate in his PDK Cayman was in 1st for the back road hair pins.
He still says now though his next fun car will be manual !
I drove his car again 2 nights ago, and yes you can take the piss In a PDK, changing mid corner, using 1st gear also, braking so deep into the bends it's unreal
So yes A to B PDK kicks manual every time, but we don't buy fun cars for A to B do we ? we buy an Audi S5 or some thing.
did a Spa trip last year and Ring trip and my mate in his PDK Cayman was in 1st for the back road hair pins.
He still says now though his next fun car will be manual !
I drove his car again 2 nights ago, and yes you can take the piss In a PDK, changing mid corner, using 1st gear also, braking so deep into the bends it's unreal
So yes A to B PDK kicks manual every time, but we don't buy fun cars for A to B do we ? we buy an Audi S5 or some thing.
When I finished test driving the GT4 I asked myself whether I would have more fun driving the car as a long geared manual (as it is), enjoying the involvement of clutch/gear lever and rev matching myself, or driving the PDK where I'd be able to exploit the performance of both engine and car much better because the power band is so much more accessible and I'd have shorter ratios to begin with.
I believe I would have had more fun on those serpentines with a short (or rather "correctly") geared PDK-S than the long geared manual transmission where you are sometimes just sitting there waiting for the engine to come "on cam" with the throttle pinned.
If the gearing is better suited to the track - and I suspect it is - I'd absolutely prefer manual there. And since the GT4 was built for the track there is no arguing. Not to mention there is no alternative available.
Still, a shorter ratio on the manual would make me prefer it over the PDK in every situation versus in "most" situations as it is now. The case for the manual is not as clear cut for me as I originally thought.
I believe I would have had more fun on those serpentines with a short (or rather "correctly") geared PDK-S than the long geared manual transmission where you are sometimes just sitting there waiting for the engine to come "on cam" with the throttle pinned.
If the gearing is better suited to the track - and I suspect it is - I'd absolutely prefer manual there. And since the GT4 was built for the track there is no arguing. Not to mention there is no alternative available.
Still, a shorter ratio on the manual would make me prefer it over the PDK in every situation versus in "most" situations as it is now. The case for the manual is not as clear cut for me as I originally thought.
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