Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.
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PorscheGT4 said:
ALL gt3 owners don't see there even longer ratios an issue and they have less torque lower down !!
WHY has this never come up for the GT3 (only by me)
who is right now ? MAGS, GT3 owners or me.
FFS it's annoying lol
WHY has this never come up for the GT3 (only by me)
who is right now ? MAGS, GT3 owners or me.
FFS it's annoying lol
PorscheGT4 said:
agree, and it's any GT3 bar the 991 !!!
With reference to the above. Data sourced from Porsche specification sheets.
Edited by fioran0 on Friday 3rd July 23:42
Mermaid said:
I expect there will be after market options available soon - is it just changing the internal gearing, or more?
There are already reliable - and race proven - gear sets available to regear the transmission AFAIK. What there is not is a reliable final drive - and it is unlikely that one will be forthcoming. Today was the big one. First impressions in order experienced:
First, rewinding a few days, I noticed in photos sent by the salesman that the tyres were Dunlops. I had assumed a French delivery would get French tyres but no. From what I have read the Dunlops are more heat resistant and slightly faster on track but wear much more quickly than the Michelins. As I will be driving mostly on the road I asked if they could be swapped but, again, no.
Back to this afternoon: The car looks SENSATIONAL in yellow; as good in daylight as under the lights at Geneva. I had considered silver but didn’t like the look of Rhodium at Geneva so wondered if I should choose GT Silver. However, seeing my car back to back with a Rhodium Cayman at the dealer today I can’t imagine even GT Silver looking nearly as good. Fortunately my wife, who was shocked after Geneva when I said I had changed to yellow, agrees.
Even the steel brakes look huge.
The driving position is perfect for my wiry 6’ 3 ½” frame. I have the seat a few notches from the back (where my leg is fully extended to depress the clutch), fully lowered (any lower and I’d start disappearing below the bonnet, any higher and the top of the windscreen is too low), which gives 4cm headroom, and the wheel fully extended (to allow bent arms at any lock). To begin with I was aware of the seat just under the harness holes pressing against my upper back and, as with the seats in my old 996.1 GT3 I would have preferred more lumber curve but after two hours driving I was perfectly comfortable. While they’re not quite as tight as one-piece GT3 seats they don’t feel excessively wide like I thought they did at Geneva and they provide solid support in corners. They’re just awkward to get in and out of. The salesman said that the third of their three cars, which will be arriving soon, could not be supplied with buckets.
The view over the front wings is beautiful - it reminds me of a yellow Dino I once drove.
It’s annoying that after I turned the radio off and restarted the car the radio came back on by itself. According to the salesman you can’t prevent this but surely there must be a way.
The clutch is very heavy by modern standards but didn’t worry me at all.
The ride is very compliant, without the truck feeling around town of my GT3. It’s perfectly acceptable for a daily driver. I forgot to try the sport PASM setting.
The engine note at low revs is uninspiring with none of the character of a Metzger. Today I kept to a light throttle and 3,500 rpm by which point it was just starting to show promise. At these revs the exhaust button adds a small amount of character some of the time and tiring resonance the rest. I haven’t tried the auto throttle blip yet.
I traversed a multitude of speed humps of all shapes and sizes. Going at a crawl in a straight line over them the front lip did not touch. I was only caught out once when I went a little faster and there was a bit of a ditch on the exit. I stopped to check the damage and couldn’t see any. Getting my head down to the ground to check the underside of the lip there were just a couple of minute plastic fibres protruding so I would say that if you go slowly the front clearance is not an issue, which is a big relief. I measured it on the slab of my garage and it is exactly 12 cm.
The gear ratios seem fine to me but it’s hard to be sure without fully extending the engine. With the amount of low-end torque, second felt like it will be low enough for hairpins, and third good for sweepers. 3,000 rpm in top gives 122 km/h, which is a decent ratio for cruising. However swimd has had the benefit of a drive with a run-in engine so his comments are more definitive.
Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp. It seems to have variable weight with speed but not variable ratio so around town it feels light and low geared but meaty and direct with more speed.
Turn-in grip is hard to believe. Whereas the GT3 would push in hairpins the GT4 makes every bend feel like it has a big camber. The tail feels inertia-free, which compared to the GT3 is very confidence inspiring through rapid direction changes and when braking into downhill bends. Will it end up feeling too easy? Even with the very sticky tyres (which feel progressive) and restricted throttle, when exiting one hairpin there was a hint of oversteer that felt like with more throttle would have evolved into something very nice. If that proves to be the case I will happily sacrifice the challenge of a GT3. While easy to oversteer on a predictable track I found mine too volatile on the road.
Under the lights at Geneva I was worried about the reflection of the yellow dash stitching in the windscreen. This afternoon was sunny and I didn’t notice it. Possibly my polarising sunglasses were the reason; I didn’t think to look without.
Overall, the front clearance was a very pleasant surprise but the steering such a disappointment that I will have to wait until I can use all the revs to know whether the GT4 and I will bond. Although... every time I stand back and look at it I fall in love.
First, rewinding a few days, I noticed in photos sent by the salesman that the tyres were Dunlops. I had assumed a French delivery would get French tyres but no. From what I have read the Dunlops are more heat resistant and slightly faster on track but wear much more quickly than the Michelins. As I will be driving mostly on the road I asked if they could be swapped but, again, no.
Back to this afternoon: The car looks SENSATIONAL in yellow; as good in daylight as under the lights at Geneva. I had considered silver but didn’t like the look of Rhodium at Geneva so wondered if I should choose GT Silver. However, seeing my car back to back with a Rhodium Cayman at the dealer today I can’t imagine even GT Silver looking nearly as good. Fortunately my wife, who was shocked after Geneva when I said I had changed to yellow, agrees.
Even the steel brakes look huge.
The driving position is perfect for my wiry 6’ 3 ½” frame. I have the seat a few notches from the back (where my leg is fully extended to depress the clutch), fully lowered (any lower and I’d start disappearing below the bonnet, any higher and the top of the windscreen is too low), which gives 4cm headroom, and the wheel fully extended (to allow bent arms at any lock). To begin with I was aware of the seat just under the harness holes pressing against my upper back and, as with the seats in my old 996.1 GT3 I would have preferred more lumber curve but after two hours driving I was perfectly comfortable. While they’re not quite as tight as one-piece GT3 seats they don’t feel excessively wide like I thought they did at Geneva and they provide solid support in corners. They’re just awkward to get in and out of. The salesman said that the third of their three cars, which will be arriving soon, could not be supplied with buckets.
The view over the front wings is beautiful - it reminds me of a yellow Dino I once drove.
It’s annoying that after I turned the radio off and restarted the car the radio came back on by itself. According to the salesman you can’t prevent this but surely there must be a way.
The clutch is very heavy by modern standards but didn’t worry me at all.
The ride is very compliant, without the truck feeling around town of my GT3. It’s perfectly acceptable for a daily driver. I forgot to try the sport PASM setting.
The engine note at low revs is uninspiring with none of the character of a Metzger. Today I kept to a light throttle and 3,500 rpm by which point it was just starting to show promise. At these revs the exhaust button adds a small amount of character some of the time and tiring resonance the rest. I haven’t tried the auto throttle blip yet.
I traversed a multitude of speed humps of all shapes and sizes. Going at a crawl in a straight line over them the front lip did not touch. I was only caught out once when I went a little faster and there was a bit of a ditch on the exit. I stopped to check the damage and couldn’t see any. Getting my head down to the ground to check the underside of the lip there were just a couple of minute plastic fibres protruding so I would say that if you go slowly the front clearance is not an issue, which is a big relief. I measured it on the slab of my garage and it is exactly 12 cm.
The gear ratios seem fine to me but it’s hard to be sure without fully extending the engine. With the amount of low-end torque, second felt like it will be low enough for hairpins, and third good for sweepers. 3,000 rpm in top gives 122 km/h, which is a decent ratio for cruising. However swimd has had the benefit of a drive with a run-in engine so his comments are more definitive.
Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp. It seems to have variable weight with speed but not variable ratio so around town it feels light and low geared but meaty and direct with more speed.
Turn-in grip is hard to believe. Whereas the GT3 would push in hairpins the GT4 makes every bend feel like it has a big camber. The tail feels inertia-free, which compared to the GT3 is very confidence inspiring through rapid direction changes and when braking into downhill bends. Will it end up feeling too easy? Even with the very sticky tyres (which feel progressive) and restricted throttle, when exiting one hairpin there was a hint of oversteer that felt like with more throttle would have evolved into something very nice. If that proves to be the case I will happily sacrifice the challenge of a GT3. While easy to oversteer on a predictable track I found mine too volatile on the road.
Under the lights at Geneva I was worried about the reflection of the yellow dash stitching in the windscreen. This afternoon was sunny and I didn’t notice it. Possibly my polarising sunglasses were the reason; I didn’t think to look without.
Overall, the front clearance was a very pleasant surprise but the steering such a disappointment that I will have to wait until I can use all the revs to know whether the GT4 and I will bond. Although... every time I stand back and look at it I fall in love.
J-P said:
HokumPokum said:
you buy sports chorine because you want the clock.... that's it
if you want the app, harry's is better
both will need an external gps sensor to perform their best and both need to do video through the iPhone. HLT does the same thing for £25 and can be used on other cars.
the 1 thing HLT doesn't have is the OBD2 data which you will have to buy a wifi dongle for £150 to access, if you want fancy overlays.
so you tell me.... how much is the clock worth to you?
I thought you could do video via wifi with GoPro Hero 4? So you use that for the video, Dual XGPS160 for external GPS via Bluetooth and iPhone 4S / 5 / 6 for the data logging.if you want the app, harry's is better
both will need an external gps sensor to perform their best and both need to do video through the iPhone. HLT does the same thing for £25 and can be used on other cars.
the 1 thing HLT doesn't have is the OBD2 data which you will have to buy a wifi dongle for £150 to access, if you want fancy overlays.
so you tell me.... how much is the clock worth to you?
Edited by J-P on Friday 3rd July 23:10
I'm simply using the iPhone with a fish-eye lens as my video which makes it a lot easier since the video overlay is all done on the iPhone. you can then use the gopro as pip with the multicam function if you feel like the overlay. at least you won't lose videos that way. HLT is improving with every version, I don't see the porsche app keeping up.
but the app aside, I wished they incorporated launch control with the sports chrono. then at least, you are getting something other than a clock.
t.HokumPokum said:
J-P said:
HokumPokum said:
you buy sports chorine because you want the clock.... that's it
if you want the app, harry's is better
both will need an external gps sensor to perform their best and both need to do video through the iPhone. HLT does the same thing for £25 and can be used on other cars.
the 1 thing HLT doesn't have is the OBD2 data which you will have to buy a wifi dongle for £150 to access, if you want fancy overlays.
so you tell me.... how much is the clock worth to you?
I thought you could do video via wifi with GoPro Hero 4? So you use that for the video, Dual XGPS160 for external GPS via Bluetooth and iPhone 4S / 5 / 6 for the data logging.if you want the app, harry's is better
both will need an external gps sensor to perform their best and both need to do video through the iPhone. HLT does the same thing for £25 and can be used on other cars.
the 1 thing HLT doesn't have is the OBD2 data which you will have to buy a wifi dongle for £150 to access, if you want fancy overlays.
so you tell me.... how much is the clock worth to you?
Edited by J-P on Friday 3rd July 23:10
I'm simply using the iPhone with a fish-eye lens as my video which makes it a lot easier since the video overlay is all done on the iPhone. you can then use the gopro as pip with the multicam function if you feel like the overlay. at least you won't lose videos that way. HLT is improving with every version, I don't see the porsche app keeping up.
but the app aside, I wished they incorporated launch control with the sports chrono. then at least, you are getting something other than a clock.
turbofreeFLAT6 said:
Today was the big one. First impressions in order experienced:
First, rewinding a few days, I noticed in photos sent by the salesman that the tyres were Dunlops. I had assumed a French delivery would get French tyres but no. From what I have read the Dunlops are more heat resistant and slightly faster on track but wear much more quickly than the Michelins. As I will be driving mostly on the road I asked if they could be swapped but, again, no.
Back to this afternoon: The car looks SENSATIONAL in yellow; as good in daylight as under the lights at Geneva. I had considered silver but didn’t like the look of Rhodium at Geneva so wondered if I should choose GT Silver. However, seeing my car back to back with a Rhodium Cayman at the dealer today I can’t imagine even GT Silver looking nearly as good. Fortunately my wife, who was shocked after Geneva when I said I had changed to yellow, agrees.
Even the steel brakes look huge.
The driving position is perfect for my wiry 6’ 3 ½” frame. I have the seat a few notches from the back (where my leg is fully extended to depress the clutch), fully lowered (any lower and I’d start disappearing below the bonnet, any higher and the top of the windscreen is too low), which gives 4cm headroom, and the wheel fully extended (to allow bent arms at any lock). To begin with I was aware of the seat just under the harness holes pressing against my upper back and, as with the seats in my old 996.1 GT3 I would have preferred more lumber curve but after two hours driving I was perfectly comfortable. While they’re not quite as tight as one-piece GT3 seats they don’t feel excessively wide like I thought they did at Geneva and they provide solid support in corners. They’re just awkward to get in and out of. The salesman said that the third of their three cars, which will be arriving soon, could not be supplied with buckets.
The view over the front wings is beautiful - it reminds me of a yellow Dino I once drove.
It’s annoying that after I turned the radio off and restarted the car the radio came back on by itself. According to the salesman you can’t prevent this but surely there must be a way.
The clutch is very heavy by modern standards but didn’t worry me at all.
The ride is very compliant, without the truck feeling around town of my GT3. It’s perfectly acceptable for a daily driver. I forgot to try the sport PASM setting.
The engine note at low revs is uninspiring with none of the character of a Metzger. Today I kept to a light throttle and 3,500 rpm by which point it was just starting to show promise. At these revs the exhaust button adds a small amount of character some of the time and tiring resonance the rest. I haven’t tried the auto throttle blip yet.
I traversed a multitude of speed humps of all shapes and sizes. Going at a crawl in a straight line over them the front lip did not touch. I was only caught out once when I went a little faster and there was a bit of a ditch on the exit. I stopped to check the damage and couldn’t see any. Getting my head down to the ground to check the underside of the lip there were just a couple of minute plastic fibres protruding so I would say that if you go slowly the front clearance is not an issue, which is a big relief. I measured it on the slab of my garage and it is exactly 12 cm.
The gear ratios seem fine to me but it’s hard to be sure without fully extending the engine. With the amount of low-end torque, second felt like it will be low enough for hairpins, and third good for sweepers. 3,000 rpm in top gives 122 km/h, which is a decent ratio for cruising. However swimd has had the benefit of a drive with a run-in engine so his comments are more definitive.
Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp. It seems to have variable weight with speed but not variable ratio so around town it feels light and low geared but meaty and direct with more speed.
Turn-in grip is hard to believe. Whereas the GT3 would push in hairpins the GT4 makes every bend feel like it has a big camber. The tail feels inertia-free, which compared to the GT3 is very confidence inspiring through rapid direction changes and when braking into downhill bends. Will it end up feeling too easy? Even with the very sticky tyres (which feel progressive) and restricted throttle, when exiting one hairpin there was a hint of oversteer that felt like with more throttle would have evolved into something very nice. If that proves to be the case I will happily sacrifice the challenge of a GT3. While easy to oversteer on a predictable track I found mine too volatile on the road.
Under the lights at Geneva I was worried about the reflection of the yellow dash stitching in the windscreen. This afternoon was sunny and I didn’t notice it. Possibly my polarising sunglasses were the reason; I didn’t think to look without.
Overall, the front clearance was a very pleasant surprise but the steering such a disappointment that I will have to wait until I can use all the revs to know whether the GT4 and I will bond. Although... every time I stand back and look at it I fall in love.
Thanks for this..First, rewinding a few days, I noticed in photos sent by the salesman that the tyres were Dunlops. I had assumed a French delivery would get French tyres but no. From what I have read the Dunlops are more heat resistant and slightly faster on track but wear much more quickly than the Michelins. As I will be driving mostly on the road I asked if they could be swapped but, again, no.
Back to this afternoon: The car looks SENSATIONAL in yellow; as good in daylight as under the lights at Geneva. I had considered silver but didn’t like the look of Rhodium at Geneva so wondered if I should choose GT Silver. However, seeing my car back to back with a Rhodium Cayman at the dealer today I can’t imagine even GT Silver looking nearly as good. Fortunately my wife, who was shocked after Geneva when I said I had changed to yellow, agrees.
Even the steel brakes look huge.
The driving position is perfect for my wiry 6’ 3 ½” frame. I have the seat a few notches from the back (where my leg is fully extended to depress the clutch), fully lowered (any lower and I’d start disappearing below the bonnet, any higher and the top of the windscreen is too low), which gives 4cm headroom, and the wheel fully extended (to allow bent arms at any lock). To begin with I was aware of the seat just under the harness holes pressing against my upper back and, as with the seats in my old 996.1 GT3 I would have preferred more lumber curve but after two hours driving I was perfectly comfortable. While they’re not quite as tight as one-piece GT3 seats they don’t feel excessively wide like I thought they did at Geneva and they provide solid support in corners. They’re just awkward to get in and out of. The salesman said that the third of their three cars, which will be arriving soon, could not be supplied with buckets.
The view over the front wings is beautiful - it reminds me of a yellow Dino I once drove.
It’s annoying that after I turned the radio off and restarted the car the radio came back on by itself. According to the salesman you can’t prevent this but surely there must be a way.
The clutch is very heavy by modern standards but didn’t worry me at all.
The ride is very compliant, without the truck feeling around town of my GT3. It’s perfectly acceptable for a daily driver. I forgot to try the sport PASM setting.
The engine note at low revs is uninspiring with none of the character of a Metzger. Today I kept to a light throttle and 3,500 rpm by which point it was just starting to show promise. At these revs the exhaust button adds a small amount of character some of the time and tiring resonance the rest. I haven’t tried the auto throttle blip yet.
I traversed a multitude of speed humps of all shapes and sizes. Going at a crawl in a straight line over them the front lip did not touch. I was only caught out once when I went a little faster and there was a bit of a ditch on the exit. I stopped to check the damage and couldn’t see any. Getting my head down to the ground to check the underside of the lip there were just a couple of minute plastic fibres protruding so I would say that if you go slowly the front clearance is not an issue, which is a big relief. I measured it on the slab of my garage and it is exactly 12 cm.
The gear ratios seem fine to me but it’s hard to be sure without fully extending the engine. With the amount of low-end torque, second felt like it will be low enough for hairpins, and third good for sweepers. 3,000 rpm in top gives 122 km/h, which is a decent ratio for cruising. However swimd has had the benefit of a drive with a run-in engine so his comments are more definitive.
Now for the big disappointment. I expected the steering to feel like a slightly muted version of my GT3’s and it was what I had most been looking forward to: the feeling that your brain is hard wired to the road, where you can just think the car around bends and feel every piece of road metal. The GT4 is nothing like that. It has decent feel once the tyres are working really hard but below that it doesn’t talk to you and it doesn’t even feel razor sharp. It seems to have variable weight with speed but not variable ratio so around town it feels light and low geared but meaty and direct with more speed.
Turn-in grip is hard to believe. Whereas the GT3 would push in hairpins the GT4 makes every bend feel like it has a big camber. The tail feels inertia-free, which compared to the GT3 is very confidence inspiring through rapid direction changes and when braking into downhill bends. Will it end up feeling too easy? Even with the very sticky tyres (which feel progressive) and restricted throttle, when exiting one hairpin there was a hint of oversteer that felt like with more throttle would have evolved into something very nice. If that proves to be the case I will happily sacrifice the challenge of a GT3. While easy to oversteer on a predictable track I found mine too volatile on the road.
Under the lights at Geneva I was worried about the reflection of the yellow dash stitching in the windscreen. This afternoon was sunny and I didn’t notice it. Possibly my polarising sunglasses were the reason; I didn’t think to look without.
Overall, the front clearance was a very pleasant surprise but the steering such a disappointment that I will have to wait until I can use all the revs to know whether the GT4 and I will bond. Although... every time I stand back and look at it I fall in love.
Interesting about the steering, it has the same torque sensors as the GT3...the one I drove and my friend drove round SPA, felt it was just like the 991GT3....
First chance today to really rev the car having covered 1,100 miles and not exceeding 4000 rpm. Subjectively the GT4 feels faster than a 530 bhp 997 turbo I owned. This is down to the noise( fantastic), power at the topend and lightness. Some years back I had a 996 GT3 and I would say the GT4 feels more like a race car but this is just my opinion. The car definitely feels special but is also a potential licence loser.
Vetteran said:
First chance today to really rev the car having covered 1,100 miles and not exceeding 4000 rpm. Subjectively the GT4 feels faster than a 530 bhp 997 turbo I owned. This is down to the noise( fantastic), power at the topend and lightness. Some years back I had a 996 GT3 and I would say the GT4 feels more like a race car but this is just my opinion. The car definitely feels special but is also a potential licence loser.
How would you say the ground clearance was compared to your 996GT3? I had a 996/2 GT3 and was thinkiing it might be worse.
APOLO1 said:
Thanks for this..
Interesting about the steering, it has the same torque sensors as the GT3...the one I drove and my friend drove round SPA, felt it was just like the 991GT3....
It probably is the same as the 991 GT3 but I was comparing to the 996.1 GT3 I used to have. I don't think the GT EPAS is any better than than the benchmark set in 2006 by the Renault Sport Megane R26.Interesting about the steering, it has the same torque sensors as the GT3...the one I drove and my friend drove round SPA, felt it was just like the 991GT3....
However, today I found a way to make the GT4 feel more like my old GT3. I tried the sport damper setting. You wouldn't want to use it around town but on a mountain road it felt great: still compliant enough but sharper chassis response (which also made the steering feel slightly sharper) and a touch of GT3 bobbing. It will be my default fast road setting. I think that in this mode and once run in and able to use full throttle (at the moment I have to back off just as it starts to come on cam at around 3,500) the car will be very exciting. It just won't be as characterful as a Metzger/hydraulic GT3 at lower speeds but the GT4's ride is more comfortable, at least compared to the 996 with its passive dampers, and the luggage space is much more convenient.
A couple more observations: the gearshift, while a bit notchy to start with, is loosening up and is super short, precise and fast. I've never felt anything like it. I forgot to mention the (steel) brakes yesterday because they are so intuitive that you barely realise you are using them; they seem wired to your brain in the way I had hoped the steering would be and so far they have not impacted on the car's extraordinary composure. A big step on from the 996.1 GT3 where on the road the ABS seemed to cut in too soon, leaving you with less stopping power than the wonderful pedal feel promised.
Today I tried a supermarket carpark ramp and grounded (at 0.1 km/h) trying to go straight up. It was a about 1½ lanes wide so I tried on the angle and made it. I was worried about the exit because the transition is slightly sharper and I had a full front boot of shopping but on the angle it cleared. The front spoiler angles back a lot on each side so if you have the space it makes a big difference. I think the clearance is better than on my GT3 which I often had to angle over speed humps.
Edited by turbofreeFLAT6 on Saturday 4th July 23:27
fioran0 said:
With reference to the above. Data sourced from Porsche specification sheets.
It appears this post has not been commented upon, but if I am reading it correctly (5 pints of Guinness in) then it suggests that the GT4 gearing is exactly the same as a Cayman R. If that is the case, then it may not be too bad. I've not heard CR owners complain of long gearing.Edited by fioran0 on Friday 3rd July 23:42
So, has it all been a bit of a storm in a teacup or would it be even better with shorter gears?
The only negative comments that I have seen thus far have been around the gearing and steering (setting aside lack of UK cars). Two key areas of driver input - enough to make it a damp squib?
I look forward to some proper road reviews. Perhaps Portimao circuit lapping disguises how it performs on the road. Maybe what we need is a turbo
Edited by GaryF on Saturday 4th July 23:34
No, you are indeed reading it correctly. They have the same gearing according to the data sheets I have from Porsche for each car. The other point to note is the ratios relative to those in the 996 and 997 GT3's; they do not tally with some of the assertions being given in this thread.
What may be more interesting is that the optimal shift points for the GT4 occur below redline in gears 3,4,5. For the Cayman R they occur below redline in gears 4 and 5.
Additionally, the 2nd gear ratio used hurts the Cayman R far more than it does the GT4.
What may be more interesting is that the optimal shift points for the GT4 occur below redline in gears 3,4,5. For the Cayman R they occur below redline in gears 4 and 5.
Additionally, the 2nd gear ratio used hurts the Cayman R far more than it does the GT4.
stewy49 said:
Vetteran said:
First chance today to really rev the car having covered 1,100 miles and not exceeding 4000 rpm. Subjectively the GT4 feels faster than a 530 bhp 997 turbo I owned. This is down to the noise( fantastic), power at the topend and lightness. Some years back I had a 996 GT3 and I would say the GT4 feels more like a race car but this is just my opinion. The car definitely feels special but is also a potential licence loser.
How would you say the ground clearance was compared to your 996GT3? I had a 996/2 GT3 and was thinkiing it might be worse.fioran0 said:
No, you are indeed reading it correctly. They have the same gearing according to the data sheets I have from Porsche for each car. The other point to note is the ratios relative to those in the 996 and 997 GT3's; they do not tally with some of the assertions being given in this thread.
What may be more interesting is that the optimal shift points for the GT4 occur below redline in gears 3,4,5. For the Cayman R they occur below redline in gears 4 and 5.
Additionally, the 2nd gear ratio used hurts the Cayman R far more than it does the GT4.
That's just bizarre. Did anyone complain about R ratios?What may be more interesting is that the optimal shift points for the GT4 occur below redline in gears 3,4,5. For the Cayman R they occur below redline in gears 4 and 5.
Additionally, the 2nd gear ratio used hurts the Cayman R far more than it does the GT4.
I always wonder if people pick holes in things because they feel they have to complain about something.
Did you ever run thrust figures for all these cars and overlay the results?
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