Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[TheDeadPrussian]

turbofreeFLAT6 said:

PorscheGT4 said:

yep was me :-) (although I am NOT MRDEMON NOW some one has cloned me) , st I was sweating today in that car (NO AC), put in some final hard fast laps and when it rained tried the low grip in the wet, not a chance of holding that in the wet, but did a few circles in the dry ok. lack of talent came to bite me in the arse on the low grip area in the wet ;-) I thought it would be easier in the wet !

cars set up to understeer when pushed as well, did my head in, bloody hate understeer, I can see why people have put the rear ARB to stiff, this was on soft !

2.5hours driving time in it today for me, it's a solid motor alright.

Cannot say I am 100% happy with it though, was expecting more. A LOT more ! some things it did very well, some less so imo.

Bitten on the arse by understeer???

Do you know what the front bar was set on?

I would have thought if you wanted to dial out understeer in the dry, you would go softer on the front and harder on the back...more front end grip on turn in and less at the rear?

[Cazooch]

I drove the PEC car last week and it is set to understeer I'm afraid. You're right Mark, soft on the front and hard on the rear...

Apparently some dude who was at Portimao at the media launch on Twitter said that Porsche disconnected the rear roll bar so Chris Harris could drift it around the track? Not sure if that is true just what I read on Twitter...

TheDeadPrussian said:

turbofreeFLAT6 said:

PorscheGT4 said:

yep was me :-) (although I am NOT MRDEMON NOW some one has cloned me) , st I was sweating today in that car (NO AC), put in some final hard fast laps and when it rained tried the low grip in the wet, not a chance of holding that in the wet, but did a few circles in the dry ok. lack of talent came to bite me in the arse on the low grip area in the wet ;-) I thought it would be easier in the wet !

cars set up to understeer when pushed as well, did my head in, bloody hate understeer, I can see why people have put the rear ARB to stiff, this was on soft !

2.5hours driving time in it today for me, it's a solid motor alright.

Cannot say I am 100% happy with it though, was expecting more. A LOT more ! some things it did very well, some less so imo.

Bitten on the arse by understeer???

Do you know what the front bar was set on?

I would have thought if you wanted to dial out understeer in the dry, you would go softer on the front and harder on the back...more front end grip on turn in and less at the rear?

[PorscheGT4]

lemmingjames said:

You mean you hyped it up so much that its not as special as you hoped.

I did not hype it up, I went in with big reservations, some things were better than expected, some were worse.

[n17ves]

PorscheGT4 said:

lemmingjames said:

You mean you hyped it up so much that its not as special as you hoped.

I did not hype it up, I went in with big reservations, some things were better than expected, some were worse.

What was better than expected and what was worse?

[PorscheGT4]

n17ves said:

What was better than expected and what was worse?

I would not like to put things in your mind if you are driving it next week.
Plus I was thinking about things which I have changed on my Spyder to make it a better car for me.

From a R with Steels, I think you will like it and think it's an R + 20%, plus 200% on brakes if you have 4 pots and + 50% on direction changes and grip.

[Mermaid]

PorscheGT4 said:

n17ves said:

What was better than expected and what was worse?

I would not like to put things in your mind if you are driving it next week.
Plus I was thinking about things which I have changed on my Spyder to make it a better car for me.

From a R with Steels, I think you will like it and think it's an R + 20%, plus 200% on brakes if you have 4 pots and + 50% on direction changes and grip.

So 991 components accounting for the changes. Cost of change from the R to the GT4 is circa £30k. Worth it for the newer car?

[mdianuk]

Well, for those with doubts, I'm waiting for a slot

[lemmingjames]

PorscheGT4 said:

I would not like to put things in your mind if you are driving it next week.
Plus I was thinking about things which I have changed on my Spyder to make it a better car for me.

BUt for those of us that arent?

This is why your comparisons between 6 GT3, CR and Spy wont be subjective/non-biased with a stock for stock comparison

[PorscheGT4]

Mermaid said:

So 991 components accounting for the changes. Cost of change from the R to the GT4 is circa £30k. Worth it for the newer car?

no, spend £8k on the R and enjoy the saving imo UNLESS you plan to do a few track days, the GT4 will eat the R on track.

But you can buy a R for £42k spend £6k on it and also buy a Elise S (the new 220bhp charged cooled one) for £28k and that total is £76k (the ave price of a nice GT4)

The age old new VS old question, people love new esp GT4 new as it's free motoring so the £30k is a moot point when you can make £25k from the £30k investment !
Run the GT4 for a year, come back buy an R :-p unless people catch on how great the R is and prices go mental lol we have a nice fan base for the R here on PH now ;-) took a while but we got there.

[HokumPokum]

what I tink ought to happen is a fan base for the cayman S....
as a car.

[n17ves]

[quote=PorscheGT4]

no, spend £8k on the R and enjoy the saving imo UNLESS you plan to do a few track days, the GT4 will eat the R on track.

But you can buy a R for £42k spend £6k on it and also buy a Elise S (the new 220bhp charged cooled one) for £28k and that total is £76k (the ave price of a nice GT4)

quote]

Spend £8k on what??

I already own highly modified Exige, and I personally don't particularly want nor feel the need to be messing about with the Porsche - I personally I find the Cayman R is pretty much perfect out the box! My only real gripe is with the brakes (could be better) and a bit more power, but not enough to start messing and invalidating any warranties and ruining a perfectly balanced car.

I am looking forward to the GT4 drive next week to compare though.

[itsybitsy]

HokumPokum said:

what I tink ought to happen is a fan base for the cayman S....
as a car.

I am already in!
Save £15k over a CR if you are going to mess about with it and buy a nice 987.2 cs!
Sorry guys don't think the CR is worth the premium where as the 987 spyder a different story
Even the Black Edition which has spyder wheels ,330hp and loads of extras can be had for£30k!
All the CR has over this is buckets and sports suspension and a rear wing!

[PorscheGT4]

itsybitsy said:

I am already in!
Save £15k over a CR if you are going to mess about with it and buy a nice 987.2 cs!
Sorry guys don't think the CR is worth the premium where as the 987 spyder a different story
Even the Black Edition which has spyder wheels ,330hp and loads of extras can be had for£30k!
All the CR has over this is buckets and sports suspension and a rear wing!

£6k buckets, £3.5k sus and £3.5k for the wing and splitters ! £13k to add to a CS ! we will forget the ally doors, LSD, extra Bhp and custom 55mm exhaust ;-)

cars are never worth the price these days I find, what you have to look at is the buy in and sell price, the R wins hands down as an ownership thing.

but yes a car to own and play with may as well be a £28k 987.2 S gives you a lot of money to pump into one for sure, never be an R though ! and selling a modded Cayman would be big hassle.

I only tweek cars so can sell oem if needed or buyer wants warranty etc.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 30th July 13:27

[PR36]

PorscheGT4 said:

itsybitsy said:

I am already in!
Save £15k over a CR if you are going to mess about with it and buy a nice 987.2 cs!
Sorry guys don't think the CR is worth the premium where as the 987 spyder a different story
Even the Black Edition which has spyder wheels ,330hp and loads of extras can be had for£30k!
All the CR has over this is buckets and sports suspension and a rear wing!

£6k buckets, £3.5k sus and £3.5k for the wing and splitters ! £13k to add to a CS ! we will forget the ally doors, LSD, extra Bhp and custom 55mm exhaust ;-)

cars are never worth the price these days I find, what you have to look at is the buy in and sell price, the R wins hands down as an ownership thing.

but yes a car to own and play with may as well be a £28k 987.2 S gives you a lot of money to pump into one for sure, never be an R though ! and selling a modded Cayman would be big hassle.

I only tweek cars so can sell oem if needed or buyer wants warranty etc.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 30th July 13:27

MrD it is quite funny sometimes listening to you big up the CR, anyone would think it was the second coming. Almost all of the items you list, buckets, wings etc which the CR has above the stock version can pretty much be summarised as bling, you need to try a bit harder. I agree that if you buy a CR and it never goes down in value that's a big plus but that only matters when you actually sell the car, it doesn't enhance the driving experience does it. I have a gen 1 cs it has more power, better brakes and far better suspension than a CR and in todays money you could build the same thing for pretty much 25k - ie nearly half the price. Ok it doesn't have nice stickers, wings or faux RS door handles and I will take a bath resale time but as a drivers car its better.

Is there any chance you could give your detailed assessment of the GT4 as a drivers car, without worrying about what anyone on here thinks and without reference to the CR? Ie are you going to keep it or flip it? I for one am interested. Thanks...

[mdianuk]

PR36 said:

MrD it is quite funny sometimes listening to you big up the CR, anyone would think it was the second coming. Almost all of the items you list, buckets, wings etc which the CR has above the stock version can pretty much be summarised as bling, you need to try a bit harder.

Bling, haha, two completely different cars and the CR remains a £40-50k car and outstrips the S by a long way. They are two completely different animals (but both very good).

[HokumPokum]

i agree. let's not compare it with the CR.

It is a good sports car.

I wanna know how great the Gt4 is as a track weapon.....

[PorscheGT4]

very good track weapon, tweek the geo and ARB and go play.

[itsybitsy]

When I test drove and in the market for a new CR back in 2011 I only thought it as marginally better on the road than my then 987.1 CS on non PASM suspension and 18" wheels! But that is only my opinion,likewise the opinion of the Gt4 by mrD but until others who own CR/Spyder test drive/own a gt4 will we have a better idea!
Remember when the CR came out MrD slated it yet then went on to buy one!
Could there be an agenda here?

[PorscheGT4]

itsybitsy said:

When I test drove and in the market for a new CR back in 2011 I only thought it as marginally better on the road than my then 987.1 CS on non PASM suspension and 18" wheels! But that is only my opinion,likewise the opinion of the Gt4 by mrD but until others who own CR/Spyder test drive/own a gt4 will we have a better idea!
Remember when the CR came out MrD slated it yet then went on to buy one!
Could there be an agenda here?

Agenda lol no chance, I cannot remember slating the R ! , I do remember saying the Spyder seems a daft idea, and I shocked myself buying that.

[paralla]

My bet is that the verdict will be that the GT4 is great except the steering which although improved over a other 981 Caymans is still not as good as the hydraulic setup on an R.

You can't pile crap on all electric steering systems and then sing the praises of it as soon as you buy a car that has it. Or can you? Let’s see......